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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doh, this was a old post that got I directed to by someone else posting (I&#039;m on the RSS feed).  Ignore it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh, this was a old post that got I directed to by someone else posting (I&#8217;m on the RSS feed).  Ignore it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[amightywind said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;The cancellation of Project Constellation was a political aberration.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

It&#039;s funny how someone that claims to be a fiscal conservative can be so blind to bloated programs like the Constellation.  That was the only reason Congress agreed to cancel it, and Republicans voted to cancel it too.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;It is â€˜commercial spaceâ€™ that will be vulnerable in the next few years.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Hard to see how a program that doesn&#039;t go over budget, and delivers what&#039;s promised, would somehow be in danger.

Besides, commercial transportation services supports the ISS, which Congress supports.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;The NASAâ€™s the CCDev2 appropriation indicates there is already a down select baked in.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Nothing has changed with the grand bargain that allowed CCiCap (not CCdev2) to do the 2.5 spacecraft award.  Sequestration hit all the programs per the overall formula, and Congress is working on re-boosting Commercial Crew along with the SLS back up.

Commercial Crew can live with a reduction in funding better than the SLS program can, especially since SpaceX is likely to be ready far in advance of the planned switchover from Soyuz in late 2016.

Besides, only someone that wants us to continue to be beholden to Russia would root for canceling the Commercial Crew program - is that you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amightywind said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>The cancellation of Project Constellation was a political aberration.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how someone that claims to be a fiscal conservative can be so blind to bloated programs like the Constellation.  That was the only reason Congress agreed to cancel it, and Republicans voted to cancel it too.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>It is â€˜commercial spaceâ€™ that will be vulnerable in the next few years.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard to see how a program that doesn&#8217;t go over budget, and delivers what&#8217;s promised, would somehow be in danger.</p>
<p>Besides, commercial transportation services supports the ISS, which Congress supports.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>The NASAâ€™s the CCDev2 appropriation indicates there is already a down select baked in.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing has changed with the grand bargain that allowed CCiCap (not CCdev2) to do the 2.5 spacecraft award.  Sequestration hit all the programs per the overall formula, and Congress is working on re-boosting Commercial Crew along with the SLS back up.</p>
<p>Commercial Crew can live with a reduction in funding better than the SLS program can, especially since SpaceX is likely to be ready far in advance of the planned switchover from Soyuz in late 2016.</p>
<p>Besides, only someone that wants us to continue to be beholden to Russia would root for canceling the Commercial Crew program &#8211; is that you?</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott Bass said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Appears to be no signs of anyone interested in killing SLS so far...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Cancellations usually require some sort of recognition that the program is in fiscal or programmatic trouble.  That was the main driver for the Constellation cancellation.  The SLS program has been a little young for that to happen yet, but if I recall correctly, there is a fiscal review to Congress coming up soon.

The other part of the equation is actually using the SLS.  So far the Administration (nor Congress) has not suggested building anything for the SLS to launch, which means that the SLS is doomed to sit around for years doing nothing.  How safe would that be?

The only known possible mission is the Obama proposed mission to an asteroid, but since the SLS took the money they were going to use to develop technologies for that mission, it&#039;s hard to see how that will happen by 2025, regardless if the SLS is ready or not.

Even the MPCV is in danger of being cancelled if they can&#039;t solve the massive excess weight issues it has.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Many budgets to go but each one makes its survival more inevitable&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

If your goal is to have a massive rocket added to the Kennedy Space Center tour, then your dream may come true.  However there still is no evidence of any paying customers for the SLS, so it continues to be a rocket being built far before it&#039;s needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Bass said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Appears to be no signs of anyone interested in killing SLS so far&#8230;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Cancellations usually require some sort of recognition that the program is in fiscal or programmatic trouble.  That was the main driver for the Constellation cancellation.  The SLS program has been a little young for that to happen yet, but if I recall correctly, there is a fiscal review to Congress coming up soon.</p>
<p>The other part of the equation is actually using the SLS.  So far the Administration (nor Congress) has not suggested building anything for the SLS to launch, which means that the SLS is doomed to sit around for years doing nothing.  How safe would that be?</p>
<p>The only known possible mission is the Obama proposed mission to an asteroid, but since the SLS took the money they were going to use to develop technologies for that mission, it&#8217;s hard to see how that will happen by 2025, regardless if the SLS is ready or not.</p>
<p>Even the MPCV is in danger of being cancelled if they can&#8217;t solve the massive excess weight issues it has.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Many budgets to go but each one makes its survival more inevitable</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>If your goal is to have a massive rocket added to the Kennedy Space Center tour, then your dream may come true.  However there still is no evidence of any paying customers for the SLS, so it continues to be a rocket being built far before it&#8217;s needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lissa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well said! I was helping to do some basic research with my son on a scientific research essay for a 7th grade language arts class and the deeper we look, the more we learn that this is a very hot topic! We were trying to refine a thesis statement regarding the idea of redirecting funding from discontinued NASA exploration to exploration of the Mariana Trench and of course he has to support his statement in his essay. We know and understand the importance why more exploration of our own deep earth needs to be done vs. exploring Mars, but had no idea about the extent of the budgetary discrepancies. It looks like we are in for some more surprises as we continue our research.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said! I was helping to do some basic research with my son on a scientific research essay for a 7th grade language arts class and the deeper we look, the more we learn that this is a very hot topic! We were trying to refine a thesis statement regarding the idea of redirecting funding from discontinued NASA exploration to exploration of the Mariana Trench and of course he has to support his statement in his essay. We know and understand the importance why more exploration of our own deep earth needs to be done vs. exploring Mars, but had no idea about the extent of the budgetary discrepancies. It looks like we are in for some more surprises as we continue our research.</p>
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		<title>By: hawken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hawken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wittiboone wrote @ June 27th, 2012 at 7:34 am
&quot;No one has mentioned about the possibility of military applications of satellite data. Letting NASA operate the satellites would make it easier to make dual use of the data. Was this the hidden motive of the change?&quot;

Do you think the military does not have access to this data already? Besides that, for this to be a motive, NASA would have to operating the satellites. They are not. NASA&#039;s role is procurement (acquisitions), not operations. Check the article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wittiboone wrote @ June 27th, 2012 at 7:34 am<br />
&#8220;No one has mentioned about the possibility of military applications of satellite data. Letting NASA operate the satellites would make it easier to make dual use of the data. Was this the hidden motive of the change?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you think the military does not have access to this data already? Besides that, for this to be a motive, NASA would have to operating the satellites. They are not. NASA&#8217;s role is procurement (acquisitions), not operations. Check the article.</p>
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		<title>By: wittiboone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wittiboone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one has mentioned about the possibility of military applications of satellite data. Letting NASA operate the satellites  would make it easier to make dual use of the data. Was this the hidden motive of the change?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has mentioned about the possibility of military applications of satellite data. Letting NASA operate the satellites  would make it easier to make dual use of the data. Was this the hidden motive of the change?</p>
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		<title>By: byeman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[byeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;NOAA is still going to be responsible for the spacecraft requirements, while NASA is going to have to negotiate contracts for those spacecraft.&quot;

That is how it is down now.  That doesn&#039;t change.  It is just which org that congress funds will change.  

&quot;Perhaps the right answer is for NOAA to get the smarts it needs to do space procurement right.&quot;
NOAA has never done spacecraft procurement.   The right answer is to have one civil gov&#039;t org do all spacecraft procurement for govt needs to prevent duplication of effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NOAA is still going to be responsible for the spacecraft requirements, while NASA is going to have to negotiate contracts for those spacecraft.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is how it is down now.  That doesn&#8217;t change.  It is just which org that congress funds will change.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Perhaps the right answer is for NOAA to get the smarts it needs to do space procurement right.&#8221;<br />
NOAA has never done spacecraft procurement.   The right answer is to have one civil gov&#8217;t org do all spacecraft procurement for govt needs to prevent duplication of effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Lassiter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Lassiter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[byeman wrote @ April 19th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
&quot;There is no overlap. NOAA spacecraft have proven and operational sensors. NASA does R&amp;D and new sensors. NASA is not performing NOAAâ€™s. Also, NASA is managing spacecraft procurement, something that is NASAâ€™s role and expertise and not NOAAâ€™s.&quot;

But the troublesome issue is, as several observers have pointed out, NOAA is still going to be responsible for the spacecraft requirements, while NASA is going to have to negotiate contracts for those spacecraft. That&#039;s a troublesome arrangement, and one that never proves economical. To the extent that NOAA simply doesn&#039;t know how to negotiate such contracts responsibly, it would seem that maybe the space product responsibility of NOAA should be wholly folded into NASA. But the idea that only one non-defense institution should be trusted with space has echoes in current issues about commercial spaceflight. Perhaps the right answer is for NOAA to get the smarts it needs to do space procurement right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>byeman wrote @ April 19th, 2012 at 3:17 pm<br />
&#8220;There is no overlap. NOAA spacecraft have proven and operational sensors. NASA does R&amp;D and new sensors. NASA is not performing NOAAâ€™s. Also, NASA is managing spacecraft procurement, something that is NASAâ€™s role and expertise and not NOAAâ€™s.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the troublesome issue is, as several observers have pointed out, NOAA is still going to be responsible for the spacecraft requirements, while NASA is going to have to negotiate contracts for those spacecraft. That&#8217;s a troublesome arrangement, and one that never proves economical. To the extent that NOAA simply doesn&#8217;t know how to negotiate such contracts responsibly, it would seem that maybe the space product responsibility of NOAA should be wholly folded into NASA. But the idea that only one non-defense institution should be trusted with space has echoes in current issues about commercial spaceflight. Perhaps the right answer is for NOAA to get the smarts it needs to do space procurement right.</p>
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		<title>By: byeman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[byeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;â€˜Consolidating space operationsâ€™â€¦ It has begun.&quot;

DCSCA is wrong again.

NASA has always procured spacecraft for NOAA.  The only difference now, instead of NOAA getting the money from Congress and then passing it on to NASA, NASA gets the money directly.  NOAA will still operate the spacecraft as they do now.

&quot;NASA and NOAA programs already overlap&quot;

Blowhard is also wrong.

There is no overlap.  NOAA spacecraft have proven and operational sensors.  NASA does R&amp;D and new sensors.  NASA is not performing NOAA&#039;s.  Also, NASA is managing spacecraft procurement, something that is NASA&#039;s role and expertise and not NOAA&#039;s.

&quot;If a primary mission of NASA is to do missions beyond Earth orbit &quot;

It is not &quot;The&quot; primary mission, it is one of.  LEO and earth science are just as much part of NASA&#039;s primary mission]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€˜Consolidating space operationsâ€™â€¦ It has begun.&#8221;</p>
<p>DCSCA is wrong again.</p>
<p>NASA has always procured spacecraft for NOAA.  The only difference now, instead of NOAA getting the money from Congress and then passing it on to NASA, NASA gets the money directly.  NOAA will still operate the spacecraft as they do now.</p>
<p>&#8220;NASA and NOAA programs already overlap&#8221;</p>
<p>Blowhard is also wrong.</p>
<p>There is no overlap.  NOAA spacecraft have proven and operational sensors.  NASA does R&amp;D and new sensors.  NASA is not performing NOAA&#8217;s.  Also, NASA is managing spacecraft procurement, something that is NASA&#8217;s role and expertise and not NOAA&#8217;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;If a primary mission of NASA is to do missions beyond Earth orbit &#8221;</p>
<p>It is not &#8220;The&#8221; primary mission, it is one of.  LEO and earth science are just as much part of NASA&#8217;s primary mission</p>
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		<title>By: A M Swallow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A M Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an election year for:
the US President
1/3 of the Senate 
and the House.

As happens every 4 years there will almost certainly be a boost in government spending.  It may be in the budget or in a second bill.  The money for COTS was in a second bill.

NASA could prepare a list of items for this bill.  Projects that can be completed in about 2 years.  Include an approximate number of jobs.

There are several technologies whose prototype has been constructed but that cannot afford a launch vehicle.  They could be combined into 2 or 3 satellites and launched.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an election year for:<br />
the US President<br />
1/3 of the Senate<br />
and the House.</p>
<p>As happens every 4 years there will almost certainly be a boost in government spending.  It may be in the budget or in a second bill.  The money for COTS was in a second bill.</p>
<p>NASA could prepare a list of items for this bill.  Projects that can be completed in about 2 years.  Include an approximate number of jobs.</p>
<p>There are several technologies whose prototype has been constructed but that cannot afford a launch vehicle.  They could be combined into 2 or 3 satellites and launched.</p>
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