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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine wrote @ May 7th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

My understanding is that over the last six months considerable rewriting of the software has been required.

We will see how it all turns out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark Blue Nine wrote @ May 7th, 2012 at 4:32 pm</p>
<p>My understanding is that over the last six months considerable rewriting of the software has been required.</p>
<p>We will see how it all turns out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 20:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Probably alright to use it for testing support, but it would be a stretch to use it for actual coding.&quot;

They&#039;re doing V&amp;V.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Probably alright to use it for testing support, but it would be a stretch to use it for actual coding.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re doing V&amp;V.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 12:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine wrote @ May 6th, 2012 at 11:15 pm 

â€œDo you have a link or other evidence?â€

No, my sources are people I know participated in the FRR dry run. I realize you may choose to reject this â€“ but, that is the situation.  This whole matter has gotten to be politically touchy.  I will not (for what I hope are obvious reasons) say anything to further identify them.

â€œThere is a small pot of money (~5%, IIRC) within the COTS budget for the NASA program office.â€

That might be the source of the funding.  Probably alright to use it for testing support, but it would be a stretch to use it for actual coding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark Blue Nine wrote @ May 6th, 2012 at 11:15 pm </p>
<p>â€œDo you have a link or other evidence?â€</p>
<p>No, my sources are people I know participated in the FRR dry run. I realize you may choose to reject this â€“ but, that is the situation.  This whole matter has gotten to be politically touchy.  I will not (for what I hope are obvious reasons) say anything to further identify them.</p>
<p>â€œThere is a small pot of money (~5%, IIRC) within the COTS budget for the NASA program office.â€</p>
<p>That might be the source of the funding.  Probably alright to use it for testing support, but it would be a stretch to use it for actual coding.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 03:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So â€œdouble-checkingâ€ is now changed to â€œunderstandâ€.&quot;

Fair criticism.

&quot;What actually has happened is that in the dry run for this test flight FRR&quot;

Do you have a link or other evidence?

&quot;where the money to pay the non-Space X personnel&quot;

There is a small pot of money (~5%, IIRC) within the COTS budget for the NASA program office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So â€œdouble-checkingâ€ is now changed to â€œunderstandâ€.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair criticism.</p>
<p>&#8220;What actually has happened is that in the dry run for this test flight FRR&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have a link or other evidence?</p>
<p>&#8220;where the money to pay the non-Space X personnel&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a small pot of money (~5%, IIRC) within the COTS budget for the NASA program office.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 20:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine wrote @ May 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm 

An interesting progression of descriptive language. First MSNBC reports:â€œbut more time is needed to analyze changes in SpaceXâ€™s flight software and make sure all systems are go.â€

Then MSNBC reports (siting their own previous article):â€but SpaceX said liftoff would be held up while NASA was double-checking changes in the flight software.â€

So â€œanalyze changesâ€ had been changed to â€œdouble-checkingâ€.

Then â€œDark Blue Nineâ€ changes the description again:â€œbecause NASA technicians need more time to understand the mission softwareâ€.

So â€œdouble-checkingâ€ is now changed to â€œunderstandâ€.

Then â€œDark Blue Nineâ€ asserts:â€œThe schedule slippage is due to NASA, not SpaceX.â€

Blaming the delay on NASA not understanding Space X software (even though he is the only one to imply that NASA does not understand Space X software).

What actually has happened is that in the dry run for this test flight FRR last fall the Space X software just plain did not work. NASA has been working with Space X since that time to fix Space X software problems. It would be interesting to know â€“ for those who claim to believe that the COTS program is commercial â€“ where the money to pay the non-Space X personnel to help Space X fix its software problems is coming from:
- Is Space X being billed?
- Is the money coming from COTS (and how does that match up with â€˜fee for serviceâ€™)?
- Or is the money being transferred from other NASA accounts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark Blue Nine wrote @ May 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm </p>
<p>An interesting progression of descriptive language. First MSNBC reports:â€œbut more time is needed to analyze changes in SpaceXâ€™s flight software and make sure all systems are go.â€</p>
<p>Then MSNBC reports (siting their own previous article):â€but SpaceX said liftoff would be held up while NASA was double-checking changes in the flight software.â€</p>
<p>So â€œanalyze changesâ€ had been changed to â€œdouble-checkingâ€.</p>
<p>Then â€œDark Blue Nineâ€ changes the description again:â€œbecause NASA technicians need more time to understand the mission softwareâ€.</p>
<p>So â€œdouble-checkingâ€ is now changed to â€œunderstandâ€.</p>
<p>Then â€œDark Blue Nineâ€ asserts:â€œThe schedule slippage is due to NASA, not SpaceX.â€</p>
<p>Blaming the delay on NASA not understanding Space X software (even though he is the only one to imply that NASA does not understand Space X software).</p>
<p>What actually has happened is that in the dry run for this test flight FRR last fall the Space X software just plain did not work. NASA has been working with Space X since that time to fix Space X software problems. It would be interesting to know â€“ for those who claim to believe that the COTS program is commercial â€“ where the money to pay the non-Space X personnel to help Space X fix its software problems is coming from:<br />
&#8211; Is Space X being billed?<br />
&#8211; Is the money coming from COTS (and how does that match up with â€˜fee for serviceâ€™)?<br />
&#8211; Or is the money being transferred from other NASA accounts?</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 02:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Itâ€™s time for Congress to step in over the commercial coddlers at NASA, hold hearings and call the management of Space X and the commercialists within NASA on to the carpet for hearings on the failure of this firm, after being cut so many breaks in scheduling and subsidized both financially, to meet schedules and fulfil its contractual obligations. Better still, their schedule slippages speak for them already. Terminate their contract. Fire them.&quot;

NASA is not going to fire a company when NASA technicians need more time to understand the mission software:

â€œThe launch of SpaceXâ€™s Dragon capsule atop a Falcon 9 rocket at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida had been set for May 7, but SpaceX said liftoff would be held up while NASA was double-checking changes in the flight software.â€

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11525131-spacex-chief-wants-to-be-spaceflier?lite

Don&#039;t be a flaming idiot, fella.  The schedule slippage is due to NASA, not SpaceX.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s time for Congress to step in over the commercial coddlers at NASA, hold hearings and call the management of Space X and the commercialists within NASA on to the carpet for hearings on the failure of this firm, after being cut so many breaks in scheduling and subsidized both financially, to meet schedules and fulfil its contractual obligations. Better still, their schedule slippages speak for them already. Terminate their contract. Fire them.&#8221;</p>
<p>NASA is not going to fire a company when NASA technicians need more time to understand the mission software:</p>
<p>â€œThe launch of SpaceXâ€™s Dragon capsule atop a Falcon 9 rocket at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida had been set for May 7, but SpaceX said liftoff would be held up while NASA was double-checking changes in the flight software.â€</p>
<p><a href="http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11525131-spacex-chief-wants-to-be-spaceflier?lite" rel="nofollow">http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11525131-spacex-chief-wants-to-be-spaceflier?lite</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be a flaming idiot, fella.  The schedule slippage is due to NASA, not SpaceX.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 20:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[joe wrote @ May 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;You are aware that Constellation Systems (for whatever reason) was cancelled, right?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

For whatever reason?  Don&#039;t be so naive Joe - Constellation was far over budget, far behind schedule, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-09-844&quot; title=&quot;U.S. GAO - NASA: Constellation Program Cost and Schedule Will Remain Uncertain Until a Sound Business Case Is Established&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;according to the GAO it lacked a clear business case&lt;/a&gt;.  Because of that a bipartisan Congress cancelled it without much discussion or disagreement.

The bigger question now is what happened to the people who were responsible for the cost &amp; schedule overruns?

Fired for mismanagement?  Promoted for spending so much money?  Sent back to management school?

Until we address the reasons why NASA programs go so horribly over budget, NASA will never be able to afford to leave LEO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe wrote @ May 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>You are aware that Constellation Systems (for whatever reason) was cancelled, right?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>For whatever reason?  Don&#8217;t be so naive Joe &#8211; Constellation was far over budget, far behind schedule, and <a href="http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-09-844" title="U.S. GAO - NASA: Constellation Program Cost and Schedule Will Remain Uncertain Until a Sound Business Case Is Established" rel="nofollow">according to the GAO it lacked a clear business case</a>.  Because of that a bipartisan Congress cancelled it without much discussion or disagreement.</p>
<p>The bigger question now is what happened to the people who were responsible for the cost &amp; schedule overruns?</p>
<p>Fired for mismanagement?  Promoted for spending so much money?  Sent back to management school?</p>
<p>Until we address the reasons why NASA programs go so horribly over budget, NASA will never be able to afford to leave LEO.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vulture4 wrote @ May 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am 

â€œShould we fire the managers of Constellation for being years behind schedule and billions over budget?â€

You are aware that Constellation Systems (for whatever reason) was cancelled, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vulture4 wrote @ May 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am </p>
<p>â€œShould we fire the managers of Constellation for being years behind schedule and billions over budget?â€</p>
<p>You are aware that Constellation Systems (for whatever reason) was cancelled, right?</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 15:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should we fire the managers of Constellation for being years behind schedule and billions over budget? The real question is, what are we trying to accomplish, and why. I do not think the SLS/Orion program will provide value for thee nation that is worth its cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should we fire the managers of Constellation for being years behind schedule and billions over budget? The real question is, what are we trying to accomplish, and why. I do not think the SLS/Orion program will provide value for thee nation that is worth its cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/04/27/house-appropriations-committee-approves-cjs-bill/#comment-368265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 04:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SpaceX has a service contract to deliver cargo. What good would it do to spend that on rides for astronauts if there is no cargo delivered.

Take your pills and goto bed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SpaceX has a service contract to deliver cargo. What good would it do to spend that on rides for astronauts if there is no cargo delivered.</p>
<p>Take your pills and goto bed.</p>
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