Musk came in about 2002-2003.

If not for my stroke, I could give you some firmer dates, but that is as best as I can remember it now.

In my usual manner, I will make that statement without citing sources.

Once again, Musk was going to do what he intended to do, and the rest of it is the perception of others of that effort.

I don’t think that a level playing field and no obstacles is too much to ask for.

“The right wing in this country has been on the attack in a personal fashion since the Clinton years…”

:… the Clinton years…” Goofy. A lot longer. Apparently you missed the Birchers accusing Ike of being a commie. Best you head to that public library to learn some history.

Posey is proud he has only two years of college, and the local voters are happy to have a representative who makes life so simple.

From where? Here is Bush’s speech:

“The Crew Exploration Vehicle will be capable of ferrying astronauts and scientists to the Space Station after the shuttle is retired.”

There is not one word about commercial space in Bush’s speech, cargo or crew. The Bush administration approved the initial commercial cargo demonstration as a stopgap until the ISS was dropped (by the US) in 2015. All the funding for actual commercial cargo ops and all the actual proposals, planning and funding for commercial crew were initiated by President Obama. The only reason I’m making this point is that the GOP is still fighting tooth and nail against commercial crew. Like Posey who says he deserves the credit for commercial crew for sponsoring a meaningless bill that provides no funding at all, and then says “there isn’t enough money” to fund the administration request, while putting the difference into another meaningless Constellation test flight and years of buying seats on Soyuz. In a local rally I heard him attack the president with language I can only call vicious. If you’re not on the team, you don’t get the credit.

Both the current and past administrations deserve credit for the success of COTS, >>

it is not like Taft and TR taking credit for the Canal…

the problem I have with your comments is that if the Dragon had failed to any degree then the person who would have been the loudest in a total critique of the entire program…..

would have been Griffin.

He just would not have said “well new effort restart etc”, in my view he would have done what he has been doing since leaving The Papacy…he would have mocked the entire effort; his “bag of underwear” speech.

Hard to give credit to someone who does that.

“Do the people here who can remember the minutia from Apollo launches really have such a flawed memory when it comes to more recent history? ”

No, its just the people who are making up both.

A modest note. “Victory” in politics is more or less “achieving defined goals”. and politicians run away from things when those goals become difficult to achieve. This is why Bush went from Ossama “dead or alive” to “I really dont care about him” (or something like that)…

It is why Griffin has been amazingly quiet about Dragon and Scott Pace is making “Pace statements” (ie ones bordering on special needs class).

If you define Victory in Iraq as removing Saddam wow!!! get the aircraft carrier out and put a banner on it labeled Mission Accomplish. The rest…not so much RGO

I never knew who was actually responsible or how such an incredibly biased and obviously inaccurate report could be produced.”

It would seem criminal. The way they by passed EELV’s. If NASA would have built a simplier version of a cargo/crew capsule that could launch on the Atlas these arguements would have never even taken place. They could have EASILY beat the 2014 deadline. Considering they had a such a huge difference in funding compared to the commercials.

Lockmart has been spening a BILLION a year for a freakin’ capsule? How many years in total? 2005/6 – 2017?

Because they were political cowards, afraid of losing another election. And you idiotically continue to pull the discussion off the topic of space politics.

Who are these people who still claim Bush lied us into Iraq? Do the people here who can remember the minutia from Apollo launches really have such a flawed memory when it comes to more recent history? Didn’t take more than 5 comments before this tread went OT.

Guess what, the war in Iraq is over and we won. Both administrations deserve credit for that too. Both administrations also deserve credit for the efforts that lead to the death of OBL.

Sometimes people with different politics actually do work toward a common goal.