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		<title>By: A M Swallow</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/07/17/space-policy-advice-for-the-candidates/#comment-374052</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A M Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heinrich Monroe wrote @ July 17th, 2012 at 11:50 pm 
&lt;blockquote&gt;ALHAT is a hazard avoidance component of the descent and landing control system. It isnâ€™t the whole thing. Morpheus is mostly a descent propulsion technology development effort. It happens to have some avionics tacked on to it. There is a lot more to a lunar lander development project than that. Morpheus is a nice project, but itâ€™s done on the cheap and, well, you get what you pay for.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In simple terms cheapness gives you get what you need and nothing more.

Space navigation could use the Space Technology developed by the New Millenium program.  ST5 gives &#039;Miniature spinning sun sensor&#039; and ST6 &#039;Inertial Stellar Compass&#039;.

The rover would be something like RESOLVE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heinrich Monroe wrote @ July 17th, 2012 at 11:50 pm </p>
<blockquote><p>ALHAT is a hazard avoidance component of the descent and landing control system. It isnâ€™t the whole thing. Morpheus is mostly a descent propulsion technology development effort. It happens to have some avionics tacked on to it. There is a lot more to a lunar lander development project than that. Morpheus is a nice project, but itâ€™s done on the cheap and, well, you get what you pay for.</p></blockquote>
<p>In simple terms cheapness gives you get what you need and nothing more.</p>
<p>Space navigation could use the Space Technology developed by the New Millenium program.  ST5 gives &#8216;Miniature spinning sun sensor&#8217; and ST6 &#8216;Inertial Stellar Compass&#8217;.</p>
<p>The rover would be something like RESOLVE.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BeanCounterfromDownunder wrote @ July 18th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Obital is an integrator in that they arenâ€™t really making anything only putting the parts together therefore they may not have longer term control over their suppliers â€“ so thatâ€™s another question.
Lots of unknowns around the Antares vehicle.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Orbital is more than an integrator, since they have been a launch provider with their Pegasus, Taurus and Minotaur rockets, and they even build satellites.  A pretty well rounded company.

I don&#039;t know what the market is for Antares outside of the CRS program, but I do like the route Orbital took.  No doubt Orbital is operating in the shadow of SpaceX, but in comparison to everyone else I do like their modular approach as it speeds development and buys down risk.

The downside is that by using major components from other companies you also have to pay them for their profit, so costs are not as low as they could be if they built everything themselves (like SpaceX), but since they are in a niche part of the market maybe that&#039;s OK.  Time will tell, although I haven&#039;t heard of any non-NASA orders for Antares.

I also like the Cygnus spacecraft for the same reasons, especially since they are using their satellite bus as the service module.  I hope they can grow that into it&#039;s own product, such as a space tug.

Orbital Sciences has a lot of potential, but they have to find customers for their services, and that means they have to make correct guesses on where the market is going - it&#039;s not just hardware execution that determines the viability of a company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeanCounterfromDownunder wrote @ July 18th, 2012 at 9:48 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Obital is an integrator in that they arenâ€™t really making anything only putting the parts together therefore they may not have longer term control over their suppliers â€“ so thatâ€™s another question.<br />
Lots of unknowns around the Antares vehicle.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Orbital is more than an integrator, since they have been a launch provider with their Pegasus, Taurus and Minotaur rockets, and they even build satellites.  A pretty well rounded company.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the market is for Antares outside of the CRS program, but I do like the route Orbital took.  No doubt Orbital is operating in the shadow of SpaceX, but in comparison to everyone else I do like their modular approach as it speeds development and buys down risk.</p>
<p>The downside is that by using major components from other companies you also have to pay them for their profit, so costs are not as low as they could be if they built everything themselves (like SpaceX), but since they are in a niche part of the market maybe that&#8217;s OK.  Time will tell, although I haven&#8217;t heard of any non-NASA orders for Antares.</p>
<p>I also like the Cygnus spacecraft for the same reasons, especially since they are using their satellite bus as the service module.  I hope they can grow that into it&#8217;s own product, such as a space tug.</p>
<p>Orbital Sciences has a lot of potential, but they have to find customers for their services, and that means they have to make correct guesses on where the market is going &#8211; it&#8217;s not just hardware execution that determines the viability of a company.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[E.P. Grondine wrote:

&lt;I&gt;&quot;The telescopes donâ€™t look that small, so Iâ€™m wondering what they have in mind. I donâ€™t see how the payload shroud or center of mass restraints could work.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Ya, I wonder if he made a mistake saying it could launch eight units at a time. Here is the stats:

&lt;I&gt;&quot;To fully leverage the flexibility of LauncherOne and the ability to fly from the broadest possible range of potential launch locations, exact up-mass capability will be calculated based on the specific requirements of each mission. As a general rule, LauncherOne in its most typical configuration will be capable of delivering on the order of 500 lb (225 kg) to low inclination Low Earth Orbit, and 225 lb (100 kg) to a higher altitude, Sun-Synchronous Low Earth Orbit. Other configurations may offer significantly greater performance.
 
The maximum allowable payload volume is quite large for a launch vehicle of this class. Payloads will be accommodated within a fairing approximately 40 inches (1 meter) in diameter, with a cylindrical shape for the first 30 inches (77 cm) and a conical section above.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That really is pretty small volume for eight units. One at a time the way it looks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.P. Grondine wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The telescopes donâ€™t look that small, so Iâ€™m wondering what they have in mind. I donâ€™t see how the payload shroud or center of mass restraints could work.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Ya, I wonder if he made a mistake saying it could launch eight units at a time. Here is the stats:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;To fully leverage the flexibility of LauncherOne and the ability to fly from the broadest possible range of potential launch locations, exact up-mass capability will be calculated based on the specific requirements of each mission. As a general rule, LauncherOne in its most typical configuration will be capable of delivering on the order of 500 lb (225 kg) to low inclination Low Earth Orbit, and 225 lb (100 kg) to a higher altitude, Sun-Synchronous Low Earth Orbit. Other configurations may offer significantly greater performance.</p>
<p>The maximum allowable payload volume is quite large for a launch vehicle of this class. Payloads will be accommodated within a fairing approximately 40 inches (1 meter) in diameter, with a cylindrical shape for the first 30 inches (77 cm) and a conical section above.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That really is pretty small volume for eight units. One at a time the way it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: BeanCounterfromDownunder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BeanCounterfromDownunder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in agreeance with RGO on the astronaut issues.  With the ISS operational and no longer in construction mode, what has been done to expand the skill set of the occupants?  Nothing that I&#039;ve seen out of that office nor on any NASA website and I&#039;ve looked.  
Seems to me that NASA is still very focused on pilots rather than reseachers, space mechanics, etc.  They really need to change their focus and hence their recruitment strategies.  Future crew delivery vehicles will be basically automated and no real need for the old style NASA pilot and the needs of the ISS: operational maintenance and repair, research capabilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreeance with RGO on the astronaut issues.  With the ISS operational and no longer in construction mode, what has been done to expand the skill set of the occupants?  Nothing that I&#8217;ve seen out of that office nor on any NASA website and I&#8217;ve looked.<br />
Seems to me that NASA is still very focused on pilots rather than reseachers, space mechanics, etc.  They really need to change their focus and hence their recruitment strategies.  Future crew delivery vehicles will be basically automated and no real need for the old style NASA pilot and the needs of the ISS: operational maintenance and repair, research capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: BeanCounterfromDownunder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BeanCounterfromDownunder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred Willett wrote @ July 18th, 2012 at 5:16 am 
&#039;Not quite. Orbitals Antares (Taurus 2) is in Delta 2 class and comes on line shortly.&#039;
Yes that may be available however it&#039;s currently only manifested for the NASA CRS not any other missions and their are several unknowns.  Can it be commercially competitive wrt cost?  Is it being designed to be sufficiently flexible wrt payloads?  Is there a development path after CRS?  Obital is an integrator in that they aren&#039;t really making anything only putting the parts together therefore they may not have longer term control over their suppliers - so that&#039;s another question.
Lots of unknowns around the Antares vehicle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Willett wrote @ July 18th, 2012 at 5:16 am<br />
&#8216;Not quite. Orbitals Antares (Taurus 2) is in Delta 2 class and comes on line shortly.&#8217;<br />
Yes that may be available however it&#8217;s currently only manifested for the NASA CRS not any other missions and their are several unknowns.  Can it be commercially competitive wrt cost?  Is it being designed to be sufficiently flexible wrt payloads?  Is there a development path after CRS?  Obital is an integrator in that they aren&#8217;t really making anything only putting the parts together therefore they may not have longer term control over their suppliers &#8211; so that&#8217;s another question.<br />
Lots of unknowns around the Antares vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.space.com/16618-space-station-experiments-investigation-nanoracks.html

this is the story on the nanoracks that simply sat.  RGO]]></description>
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<p>this is the story on the nanoracks that simply sat.  RGO</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As what can arguably said to be the last of the &#039;old time&#039; space correspondents from the &#039;glory days&#039; left standing, if not alive, Barbree has the chronicled &#039;street cred&#039; to present a factual, (seasoned with a biased rah-rah nuance) day-to-day reportage on the space ops of NASA over the swath of time from the inception of the &#039;Space Age.&#039;  But the space program does not operate in a vaccum, so to speak, and the context of the times and competing priorities play a role in what makes the presidential to-do list. Barbree surely knows NASA pressed to have a Cabinet chair decades ago only to be denied a seat at the table. But the 2010&#039;s aren&#039;t the 1960&#039;s, Jay. HSF simply is not a national priority in this era and any American civil space advocate, intoxicated by the heydays of the &#039;60s, who&#039;s wholly honest with themselves, should sober up and recognize HSF on the scale desired is a luxury expense incongruent with the Age of Austerity facing struggling Americans for years to come. It is increasingly obtuse in a time when people are trying to hold on to the basics of life- to simply find jobs, secure healthcare and buy food- in an era with unemployment projections near 9% for years to come.

&quot;While Barbree didnâ€™t dwell on specifics about what the US space policy should be...&quot;

And he shouldn&#039;t. Barbree is unqualified to extrapolate and incorporate those years of basic, regional news reporting and his accompanying opinions from his Florida perch (where he has been based for NBC the whole time) into musings on shaping national policy. It is beyond the area of his competence. 

He&#039;s a reporter-- and as with his colleagues who covered the &#039;glory days&#039;- a bit of a cheerleader for the beat he covered as well. That&#039;s all. He&#039;s no more qualified to inject himself into shaping national space policy than other broadcast reporters of his era, like the late Walter Cronkite (who flunked HS physics) or the knowledgeable but loathed Jules Bergman, etc., etc. This goes for print reporters as well. Journalists watch the passing parade and chronicle events that become the &#039;first draft of history.&#039; If they want to plan policy, they best run for office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As what can arguably said to be the last of the &#8216;old time&#8217; space correspondents from the &#8216;glory days&#8217; left standing, if not alive, Barbree has the chronicled &#8216;street cred&#8217; to present a factual, (seasoned with a biased rah-rah nuance) day-to-day reportage on the space ops of NASA over the swath of time from the inception of the &#8216;Space Age.&#8217;  But the space program does not operate in a vaccum, so to speak, and the context of the times and competing priorities play a role in what makes the presidential to-do list. Barbree surely knows NASA pressed to have a Cabinet chair decades ago only to be denied a seat at the table. But the 2010&#8217;s aren&#8217;t the 1960&#8217;s, Jay. HSF simply is not a national priority in this era and any American civil space advocate, intoxicated by the heydays of the &#8217;60s, who&#8217;s wholly honest with themselves, should sober up and recognize HSF on the scale desired is a luxury expense incongruent with the Age of Austerity facing struggling Americans for years to come. It is increasingly obtuse in a time when people are trying to hold on to the basics of life- to simply find jobs, secure healthcare and buy food- in an era with unemployment projections near 9% for years to come.</p>
<p>&#8220;While Barbree didnâ€™t dwell on specifics about what the US space policy should be&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And he shouldn&#8217;t. Barbree is unqualified to extrapolate and incorporate those years of basic, regional news reporting and his accompanying opinions from his Florida perch (where he has been based for NBC the whole time) into musings on shaping national policy. It is beyond the area of his competence. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a reporter&#8211; and as with his colleagues who covered the &#8216;glory days&#8217;- a bit of a cheerleader for the beat he covered as well. That&#8217;s all. He&#8217;s no more qualified to inject himself into shaping national space policy than other broadcast reporters of his era, like the late Walter Cronkite (who flunked HS physics) or the knowledgeable but loathed Jules Bergman, etc., etc. This goes for print reporters as well. Journalists watch the passing parade and chronicle events that become the &#8216;first draft of history.&#8217; If they want to plan policy, they best run for office.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How he can responsibly NOT mention the eensy issue with the SRBâ€™s &amp; Challenger is a mystery to me. Granted that journalismâ€™s not what it once was, but that omission makes this article feel to me like a serious and not particularly responsible drinking and regurgitation of ATK Kool-Aid.&quot;

In fairness to ATK, er, Morton Thiokol, their engineers (like Boisjoly) did warn NASA about launching the o-rings in cold environment.  Thiokol management did eventually reverse itself and recommend a go for launch, but only after NASA managers like Hardy and Mulloy ignored their warnings and bullied them into it.

Earlier, both Thiokol and MSFC had discovered that the o-rings needed reinforcing, but those changes were not made before the Challenger mission.

The technical issues with Liberty have little to do with Challenger, and instead are attributable to the single-stick, first-stage SRB, second-stage LOX/LH2, and inline capsule configuration itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How he can responsibly NOT mention the eensy issue with the SRBâ€™s &amp; Challenger is a mystery to me. Granted that journalismâ€™s not what it once was, but that omission makes this article feel to me like a serious and not particularly responsible drinking and regurgitation of ATK Kool-Aid.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fairness to ATK, er, Morton Thiokol, their engineers (like Boisjoly) did warn NASA about launching the o-rings in cold environment.  Thiokol management did eventually reverse itself and recommend a go for launch, but only after NASA managers like Hardy and Mulloy ignored their warnings and bullied them into it.</p>
<p>Earlier, both Thiokol and MSFC had discovered that the o-rings needed reinforcing, but those changes were not made before the Challenger mission.</p>
<p>The technical issues with Liberty have little to do with Challenger, and instead are attributable to the single-stick, first-stage SRB, second-stage LOX/LH2, and inline capsule configuration itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Honeyman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Honeyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barbree talks about the ATK SRB&#039;s having 221 successful launches in a row. It appears that he&#039;s referring to the 110 post-Challenger-explosion Shuttle flights (that one was #25 of 135 missions)  and the one Ares 1-X flight. How he can responsibly NOT mention the eensy issue with the SRB&#039;s &amp; Challenger is a mystery to me. Granted that journalism&#039;s not what it once was, but that omission makes this article feel to me like a serious and not particularly responsible drinking and regurgitation of ATK Kool-Aid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbree talks about the ATK SRB&#8217;s having 221 successful launches in a row. It appears that he&#8217;s referring to the 110 post-Challenger-explosion Shuttle flights (that one was #25 of 135 missions)  and the one Ares 1-X flight. How he can responsibly NOT mention the eensy issue with the SRB&#8217;s &amp; Challenger is a mystery to me. Granted that journalism&#8217;s not what it once was, but that omission makes this article feel to me like a serious and not particularly responsible drinking and regurgitation of ATK Kool-Aid.</p>
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		<title>By: TorbjÃ¶rn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TorbjÃ¶rn Larsson, OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Their cargo option is interesting but completely unneeded, so it just adds cost if anything.&quot;

As long as we are all dumping on ATK, their promo video is one-sided (natch). They claim that one mission can do the work, crew and pressurized cargo delivery, that other suppliers need two missions for. But if we consider other options than crew, they too would need two missions for the whole potential cargo cycle w return of cargo.

As long as they are beat on cost, the minor flexibility with 2-in-1 for some options aren&#039;t much. (I liked their design tho&#039;.)

@ Robert G. Oler:

Can you spill the space beans on &quot;the racks brought up by SpaceX that simply never got turned on&quot;? Mysterious instead of clarifying - who was at fault (and what happened)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Their cargo option is interesting but completely unneeded, so it just adds cost if anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as we are all dumping on ATK, their promo video is one-sided (natch). They claim that one mission can do the work, crew and pressurized cargo delivery, that other suppliers need two missions for. But if we consider other options than crew, they too would need two missions for the whole potential cargo cycle w return of cargo.</p>
<p>As long as they are beat on cost, the minor flexibility with 2-in-1 for some options aren&#8217;t much. (I liked their design tho&#8217;.)</p>
<p>@ Robert G. Oler:</p>
<p>Can you spill the space beans on &#8220;the racks brought up by SpaceX that simply never got turned on&#8221;? Mysterious instead of clarifying &#8211; who was at fault (and what happened)?</p>
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