Comments on: Campaign tidbits: seeking more details

By: vulture4

vulture4 — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:17:13 +0000

Odd that the people complaining about shifts in NASA policy with changes in the administration had no complaints whatsoever in 2004 when Bush threw out everything that had been done in space in the previous twenty years to pay for “Apollo on Steroids”. From my perspective progress was slow during the Shuttle and ISS programs, but as late as the OSP project (which was what the CAIB assumed would replace Shuttle) HSF was still directed toward a reasonable goal, affordable human access to LEO based on international cooperation. Bush tossed it all in the trash, created a plan that is much too expensive to be even possible and has no practical value, and then promptly forgot about it.

The reason we are seeing a “sudden change” now (over 4+ years, due to Congressional roadblocks) is simple. We were off course, and we are making a midcourse correction.

By: Robert G. Oler

Robert G. Oler — Sat, 29 Sep 2012 03:28:54 +0000

DCSCA wrote @ September 28th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

Paul wrote @ September 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
His â€˜Do you know meâ€™ AmEx card commerical is a classic in media

absolutely. Miller had far more on the go then Ryan does…Ryan is a cheap suit RGO

By: DCSCA

DCSCA — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:59:48 +0000

Paul wrote @ September 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
His ‘Do you know me’ AmEx card commerical is a classic in media circles.

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:09:32 +0000

A footnote to history just like Goldwaterâ€™s running mate.

William E. Miller.

I admit, I had to look that up.

By: Vladislaw

Vladislaw — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:50:47 +0000

It was my understanding, from reports from Kelly at the sentinal that NASA has not fired/laid off/retied that many actual NASA employees, it was contractors. It was 200 million a month … that just about what the SLS.orion is eating through a year.

By: josh

josh — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:44:15 +0000

“No, itâ€™ll be â€˜hardâ€™ to cancel SLS because of the jobs tied to it and the pressure to fill it with some other big jobs program.”

but look at how many were already cut due to the end of the shuttle program (a good thing ofc). it’s not impossible to imagine a future where there will be only as many people working in the space industry as are needed to get the job done instead of corporate welfare for atk and the like.
close down msfc and jsc, too.

By: DCSCA

DCSCA — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:11:11 +0000

Ryan answered, â€œI donâ€™t know the answer to that.â€

‘Nuff said.

And in 40 days, no one will care if he bothered to attempt to come up with one. A footnote to history just like Goldwater’s running mate.

By: Vladislaw

Vladislaw — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:49:49 +0000

Windy tries to pen a new urban myth:

“The leftists had a super-majority from 2008-2010.”

Because of the dispute over the MN Senate seat with Coleman, Senator Franken was not sworn in until july 7th of 2009 which put that senate at 58 democrats.

Help me with the some math here windy, How could it be 2 years if Franken didn’t come in until 7 months after President Obama was sworn in?

The grand total of time the Democrats had a 60 seat majority (which has to include the two independants) was 67 legislative days according to the Senate records.

By: NeilShipley

NeilShipley — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:05:47 +0000

josh wrote @ September 27th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
No, it’ll be ‘hard’ to cancel SLS because of the jobs tied to it and the pressure to fill it with some other big jobs program.
I predict that SLS will go the slow road like Cx. Perhaps not for so long. If Elon successfully flies FH, then it’s definitely curtains for the rocket with no mission.
Back on the topic of the campaigns or lack thereof, is pretty much due to the fact that there’s virtually no votes in it and it’s not worth fighting over. The real fights happen in Congress. We’ll see what the makeup is like after the elections. That and sequestration of course.

By: E.P, Grondine

E.P, Grondine — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 00:59:52 +0000

AW –

Bottom line on Griffin’s plan: Sustained .7 G oscillations.

To sum up this round with ATK, we could have had DIRECT and 2 manned launch vehicles for the money wasted on Ares 1.

To sum up US losses in space markets for the last 40 years, we could have had pressure fed liquid boosters for the Shuttle, the lowest cost expendable launch system, and been well on our way to re-usable first stages, but for ATL and Richard Nixon.

Then there’s the time before that when ATK tried to kill the Saturn 5.

How bad does it have to get before the BS stops?