“if you think you can run a multi-billion dollar corporation without politics you’re the delusional one”

I know I am. As pointed out to me earlier by Simberg I am not an economist, not even a technologist.

So even though you and Simberg only want to make me cry what can I say? Happy sanding?

If you think Wall street was greedy for following their legal mandate to maximize their investor’s returns and expecting people to live up to the contracts they signed and if you think you can run a multi-billion dollar corporation without politics you’re the delusional one.

We’re way off topic but I enjoy the discussion.

go ahead. Part of capitalism is failure and these “private businesses” are on the road to failure if they cannot make more then unemployment.

The cause of the great recession is not home ownership, that was the trigger, the foundation of failure was the federal government under Bush and GOP congresses allowing to many organizations that needed to go under to continue operating.

If you’re unemployment has run out blame the GOP …RGO

You must be kidding. This whole thing started with a Republican President.

“the curent situation cannot be allowed to continue.”

And what do you think can anyone do? What? It is a lot more than a Republican/Democrat problem. The greed of the banks and of Wall Street was bipartisan. And btw the greed of the owner of any Wall Street account growing at several percentage points was bipartisan as well. Whatever you may think because of your situation this WH did something that has prevented a global worldwide recession. So far. But you better believe that it can come back at anytime. And Romney has proposed nothing of value just like the other Republicans all he does is blame this WH without offering a solution.

Also if I am elected I assure you I will balance the budget because my household has a balanced budget. What do you think about that?

If you think that because you can run a business, any business then you can run the US economy your are in absolute, total delusion. There is a reason why it is called politics, not economics.

I’ve been a draftsman and designer in Civil engineering and mapping since high school. I’ve been through several economic slumps. We thought we had enough work with two very large projects to get us through a normal recession. In spite of the economic data, things didn’t hit our industry hard in Arizona until well into Obama’s term and we were half way through his term before it hit our company. In almost two years, I haven’t seen a single position advertised (and I can do a lot more than airports and military bases) that I am qualified for. I have sent out well over 100 resumes and received two return calls and no interviews. My unemployment has run out.

I’m well aware that congress has more effect but all presidents will claim a good economy. After three and a half years, Obama owns this one. Personally, I place most of the blame on Barney Frank’s bill that required banks to make home loans to people that had no business buying a house. When the economy did go down, these people were the first domino to fall. Add Obamacare and the thousands of regulations that have been enacted and we have a neverending recession, again in spite of what the economic numbers say. The complete lack of a democratic budget for three years hasn’t helped either.

As for the car issue, we do high-end restorations that can take well over a year and most of our customers are small businessmen. We have a bakery owner, several construction companies including plumbing, fencing and concrete companies, restaurant owners and more. Several of them have put their projects on hold and yes in a couple of cases they are considering closing down and taking unemployment. When Arizona’s low benefits look better than what you can make in 14 hour days, something is wrong.

If nothing else, a least a republican president could have vetoed some of the stupidity.

What all this means is that our space program will have little chance of improved budgets. Private space companies will find their prospects dimmed as well. the curent situation cannot be allowed to continue. I wish the republicans would get out of our bedrooms but the democrats want to be everywhere else.

What the truth is and what people believe are often two different things. Perhaps Obama’s failure or inability to set this straight is similar to his inability to set people straight as to his space policy.>>

this is easy…Obama is in the words of Mark Helprin “a weak dick” and in large measure has no clue of leadership…coupled with the sad reality that neither the Administrator of NASA nor his deputies…have a clue.

The one useful thing of this campaign is that I now think I understand Obama…I’ve had Willard figured out since 2008 when the lying sack of shit ran against McCain.

Romney has no problem lying to the “rest of us” ie the people who are not in his financial circle. …

It has taken me a tad longer to figure out Obama…in this the debates were useful.

Obama thinks he is head of the Faculty Senate at a University…and if he just sends out enough Dear Colleagues, points out the obvious or has a better set of logical points, then people will be swayed by the power of his arguments. Problem is that is not nor never has been the US and it certainly is not today.

As the debt crisis illustrated there are members of the GOP, some its leaders today who are fine with seeing the US go off a cliff as long as they can blame it on someone else.

Go read tweelde Dee and dums arguments for Romney’s space policy in space news (a few threads back) and you see what the notion of logical arguments are. Things “I supported” a few years ago are horrible now…or heck just make things up (see Red State and the discussion of Libya…)

Romney is pro life to Tony Perkins, has a different policy to the rest of us and now has Norm Coleman saying that “he” (Romney) wont appoint judges to repeal Roe…its all OK to lie it is not a lie if the masses believe it….because in the end in Romney world, they dont count.

Obama has not a clue, even after these difficult four years that leadership is almost equal parts of defending your notions against those who would lie to hurt them…and advancing why ones policies are good.

You just sort of sit there and marvel…Obama is babblling on in the last debate about jobs coming back to the US…and where is SpaceX in all of this?

Now I realize that the technowelfare people who make up the former shuttle work force are not going to be convinced…but it is a coherent argument to make for the commercial aspects of his space effort…and in large measure he could Pin Romney on this as an illustration…but it takes more then a Dear Colleague letter.

It is like chatting with oh say Whittington…when Mark babbles on about crony capitalism, immediately every time he needs to be painted as a hypocrite. I learned in the Bush 43 years running up to the war that lies repeated often enough become truth (Goebels is smiling somewhere) and Obama has never done that.

When I ran for my minor political offices in Clear Lake (and run) I ran against a right wing nut…I won because in large measure when it came down to it; I wasnt afraid to call him that. RGO

Did I say that?

“You may be a “scientist” (whatever that means),”

I hope this below helps.

sci·en·tist/ˈsīəntist/
Noun:
A person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences.
Synonyms:
scholar – savant – boffin – naturalist

“but you’re apparently no economist. Or technologist.”

Interesting perspective. And you know that because… As I said probably better to stick to aerospace.

Do you believe that there is zero cost to reducing our carbon output?

You may be a “scientist” (whatever that means), but you’re apparently no economist. Or technologist.