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		<title>By: http://www.beepershairstudio.com/</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am no longer positive the place you are getting your 

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<p>information, however great topic. I needs to spend some time studying </p>
<p>more or understanding more. Thanks for fantastic info I<br />
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NASA can only be an investment if it produces a return. Let&#039;s remember that it was Kennedy who challenged the Russians to a race to the moon, using it as a symbolic substitute for the nuclear arms race which was coming perilously close to destroying civilization (for those of us who remember air raid drills in New York City). China is a fierce economic competitor but not an ideological adversary.  They have no interest whatsoever in a symbolic moon race; if they lost they would look incompetent. If they won they would irritate their biggest customer. 

As evidence, they have launched only four manned missions in ten years, even though they have had no significant technological failures in years. Obviously if they were in a race they would be maintaining a much higher launch rate. Their goals are different, to build national pride in their domestic audience and respect for their industrial capabilities in potential customers. Note that (unlike SLS) their current and future man-rated LVs are also intended for the commercial market, and consequently their largest currently planned LV (the CZ-5) is in the 25MT to LEO class, similar to Delta IV heavy, appropriate for large satellites or space station modules but not really for an Apollo-like dash to the moon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA can only be an investment if it produces a return. Let&#8217;s remember that it was Kennedy who challenged the Russians to a race to the moon, using it as a symbolic substitute for the nuclear arms race which was coming perilously close to destroying civilization (for those of us who remember air raid drills in New York City). China is a fierce economic competitor but not an ideological adversary.  They have no interest whatsoever in a symbolic moon race; if they lost they would look incompetent. If they won they would irritate their biggest customer. </p>
<p>As evidence, they have launched only four manned missions in ten years, even though they have had no significant technological failures in years. Obviously if they were in a race they would be maintaining a much higher launch rate. Their goals are different, to build national pride in their domestic audience and respect for their industrial capabilities in potential customers. Note that (unlike SLS) their current and future man-rated LVs are also intended for the commercial market, and consequently their largest currently planned LV (the CZ-5) is in the 25MT to LEO class, similar to Delta IV heavy, appropriate for large satellites or space station modules but not really for an Apollo-like dash to the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Space exploitation is not space exploration. 

The metrics, rationale and geopolitics for such grand and inspiring enterprises like Apollo  have changed greatly since the era when flags and footprints projected national power. They sell Roll-Royces in Russia now and there&#039;s a McDonald&#039;s in Red Square. A Big Mac in the mouth is the taste of victory today rather than a moon rock on display in a museum.
 
American space efforts have always been reactive, not proactive. When the PRC launches out toward Luna, how Americans react will determine the future course of U.S. space efforts fro the better part of this century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Space exploitation is not space exploration. </p>
<p>The metrics, rationale and geopolitics for such grand and inspiring enterprises like Apollo  have changed greatly since the era when flags and footprints projected national power. They sell Roll-Royces in Russia now and there&#8217;s a McDonald&#8217;s in Red Square. A Big Mac in the mouth is the taste of victory today rather than a moon rock on display in a museum.</p>
<p>American space efforts have always been reactive, not proactive. When the PRC launches out toward Luna, how Americans react will determine the future course of U.S. space efforts fro the better part of this century.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/11/06/examining-the-why-and-how-of-space-exploration/#comment-382742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;&quot;Thatâ€™s business.
 People, companies, doing their own thing.
 Itâ€™s the way the future grows.
 Itâ€™s the way it always has.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, carving out their new website on the digital frontier with their own bare hands. But you can not ignore the 800 pound gorilla sitting in the middle of our economy. It is a maker or breaker. Always has been. The federal government, like it or not, has to be a variable in any equation, especially one where property rights are not even established past GEO. You want to know why business ends at GEO? Thats where the property ends. 

The key is the multiplier effect. Or in laymen&#039;s terms, getting the biggest bang for the buck. A policy of zero g-zero tax is a no cost way for the Nation to induce capital flows to move towards potentially higher returns. One of the highest multiplier effects you can get.  

Another way is having contractors put some of their own skin in the game. The COTS model for three seperate EELV&#039;s has shown us that. Atlas V, Delta IV, Falcon 9 ( and soon orbital) Those gave a lot better return to the tax payer, at a lower cost than Ares I and constellation.

The federal government can help or hurt but they are rarely ever neutral to businesses wanting to do their own thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Thatâ€™s business.<br />
 People, companies, doing their own thing.<br />
 Itâ€™s the way the future grows.<br />
 Itâ€™s the way it always has.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yes, carving out their new website on the digital frontier with their own bare hands. But you can not ignore the 800 pound gorilla sitting in the middle of our economy. It is a maker or breaker. Always has been. The federal government, like it or not, has to be a variable in any equation, especially one where property rights are not even established past GEO. You want to know why business ends at GEO? Thats where the property ends. </p>
<p>The key is the multiplier effect. Or in laymen&#8217;s terms, getting the biggest bang for the buck. A policy of zero g-zero tax is a no cost way for the Nation to induce capital flows to move towards potentially higher returns. One of the highest multiplier effects you can get.  </p>
<p>Another way is having contractors put some of their own skin in the game. The COTS model for three seperate EELV&#8217;s has shown us that. Atlas V, Delta IV, Falcon 9 ( and soon orbital) Those gave a lot better return to the tax payer, at a lower cost than Ares I and constellation.</p>
<p>The federal government can help or hurt but they are rarely ever neutral to businesses wanting to do their own thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, no point in Bigelow wasting resources until he has transportation. A coupld of good test flights for both Boeing and SpaceX would be to a bigelow station, and set it up. Two birds with one stone. There are a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier countries that will never do anything on the ISS through NASA. But then can have bragging rights to a full up space program by buying 2 seats a year to leo and lease 1/3 of a BA 330. 100-150 million a year. There is a lot of countries with a checkbook that big.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, no point in Bigelow wasting resources until he has transportation. A coupld of good test flights for both Boeing and SpaceX would be to a bigelow station, and set it up. Two birds with one stone. There are a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier countries that will never do anything on the ISS through NASA. But then can have bragging rights to a full up space program by buying 2 seats a year to leo and lease 1/3 of a BA 330. 100-150 million a year. There is a lot of countries with a checkbook that big.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/11/06/examining-the-why-and-how-of-space-exploration/#comment-382692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Politicians say space policy is just this - policy. Leaders look for bold vision and seek to take us there. 

NASA is not an expenditure. It&#039;s an investment. How many of you in your own portfolios spend less than 1/2 of 1% on investments? A healthy 3-5% should be mandated for NASA.  We should begin building a space policy with China/Russia and India along with the ESA. Imagine if we developed a true partnership with China/Russia on deep space travel?

If you do not have bold vision - you&#039;re destined to look up to the sky and imagine the clouds as they take shape overhead - only to slowly disappear or rain down upon your head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians say space policy is just this &#8211; policy. Leaders look for bold vision and seek to take us there. </p>
<p>NASA is not an expenditure. It&#8217;s an investment. How many of you in your own portfolios spend less than 1/2 of 1% on investments? A healthy 3-5% should be mandated for NASA.  We should begin building a space policy with China/Russia and India along with the ESA. Imagine if we developed a true partnership with China/Russia on deep space travel?</p>
<p>If you do not have bold vision &#8211; you&#8217;re destined to look up to the sky and imagine the clouds as they take shape overhead &#8211; only to slowly disappear or rain down upon your head.</p>
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		<title>By: Googaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Googaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;the 1977 small startup by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak&lt;/i&gt;

wasn&#039;t chasing government contracts. They sold to private sector customers from the very beginning. Indeed, Jobs got the idea for the Apple I by hanging out at an early computer store and observing what people were and weren&#039;t buying. Learning about the customers. A required skill to succeed in Silicon Valley. But something people in the NASA contractor community, including most of NewSpace, have no clue how to do, since their only &quot;customer&quot;, if they have any at all, is NASA or one of its contractors. So they specialize in political lobbying instead of adding value to people&#039;s lives, and work on economic fantasies of no actual relevance to what people in the private sector actually want and can afford to buy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the 1977 small startup by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak</i></p>
<p>wasn&#8217;t chasing government contracts. They sold to private sector customers from the very beginning. Indeed, Jobs got the idea for the Apple I by hanging out at an early computer store and observing what people were and weren&#8217;t buying. Learning about the customers. A required skill to succeed in Silicon Valley. But something people in the NASA contractor community, including most of NewSpace, have no clue how to do, since their only &#8220;customer&#8221;, if they have any at all, is NASA or one of its contractors. So they specialize in political lobbying instead of adding value to people&#8217;s lives, and work on economic fantasies of no actual relevance to what people in the private sector actually want and can afford to buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Willett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Willett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Planetary Resources and Altiusâ€™ stickyyboom have no significant revenues from private sector customers,&lt;/i&gt;
Well that&#039;s partially right. So far. Planetary Resources haven&#039;t even launched their first satellite yet, and when they do it will be aimed at looking for, rather than actually mining asteroids. Altius on the other hand is a really really small company. They are generating some income - enough to survive on, and are working on some new technologies like the stickyboom. If they aren&#039;t yet the size of Boeing or ATK, well never mind, they might be someone day. Who knows?.  
&lt;i&gt;...nor any prospect of any&lt;/i&gt;
This, of course it&#039;s way too early to say.
In the case of Planetary Resources it&#039;s a group of Billionairs putting up big bucks in the hope of future returns. In the case of Altius it&#039;s one guy striking out on his own and starting a new business.
That&#039;s why I chose those two examples. They are both recent startups from different ends of the business spectrum, and both are commercial concerns.
They illustrate the point that commercial things are happening.
Does this guarantee success for PR and/or Altius? No.
It&#039;s like asking if the 1977 small startup by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak will ever succeed? 
Who knows.
We just have to wait and see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Planetary Resources and Altiusâ€™ stickyyboom have no significant revenues from private sector customers,</i><br />
Well that&#8217;s partially right. So far. Planetary Resources haven&#8217;t even launched their first satellite yet, and when they do it will be aimed at looking for, rather than actually mining asteroids. Altius on the other hand is a really really small company. They are generating some income &#8211; enough to survive on, and are working on some new technologies like the stickyboom. If they aren&#8217;t yet the size of Boeing or ATK, well never mind, they might be someone day. Who knows?.<br />
<i>&#8230;nor any prospect of any</i><br />
This, of course it&#8217;s way too early to say.<br />
In the case of Planetary Resources it&#8217;s a group of Billionairs putting up big bucks in the hope of future returns. In the case of Altius it&#8217;s one guy striking out on his own and starting a new business.<br />
That&#8217;s why I chose those two examples. They are both recent startups from different ends of the business spectrum, and both are commercial concerns.<br />
They illustrate the point that commercial things are happening.<br />
Does this guarantee success for PR and/or Altius? No.<br />
It&#8217;s like asking if the 1977 small startup by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak will ever succeed?<br />
Who knows.<br />
We just have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way I almost forgot. We need to have some form of a NASC or National Space Council. Such council would include the industry as I was suggesting above but not only. And no, not just for HSF, just in case... I see a potential problem with a conflict with the NASA Administrator as to who decides what to do. But if as I suspect we go towards a more important involvement of the private sector then that point may become moot. Unfortunately it also means less power for the NASA Admin and who would then take the job?... Anyway. Fundamentally we need such a council I think. Still.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way I almost forgot. We need to have some form of a NASC or National Space Council. Such council would include the industry as I was suggesting above but not only. And no, not just for HSF, just in case&#8230; I see a potential problem with a conflict with the NASA Administrator as to who decides what to do. But if as I suspect we go towards a more important involvement of the private sector then that point may become moot. Unfortunately it also means less power for the NASA Admin and who would then take the job?&#8230; Anyway. Fundamentally we need such a council I think. Still.</p>
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		<title>By: Googaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Googaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As if we don&#039;t already have enough &quot;commercial&quot; initiatives where 100% of the revenue comes from government (taken out of the pockets of actual commerce). The many previous grand markets-of-the-future dead and conveniently forgotten, we quickly move onto the next hallucinatory justification for leeching off the economy instead of contributing to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if we don&#8217;t already have enough &#8220;commercial&#8221; initiatives where 100% of the revenue comes from government (taken out of the pockets of actual commerce). The many previous grand markets-of-the-future dead and conveniently forgotten, we quickly move onto the next hallucinatory justification for leeching off the economy instead of contributing to it.</p>
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