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	<title>Comments on: NRC report: NASA hasn&#8217;t made the case for a human asteroid mission</title>
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		<title>By: Aberwys</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/12/06/nrc-report-nasa-hasnt-made-the-case-for-a-human-asteroid-mission/#comment-389760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aberwys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed on the divas at NASA point.  The fact is many of those divas are not seen as divas in academia or in the tech industry.

In fact, NASA lags academia by about 5-8 years.  Carbon nanotubes are sooo 2003.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on the divas at NASA point.  The fact is many of those divas are not seen as divas in academia or in the tech industry.</p>
<p>In fact, NASA lags academia by about 5-8 years.  Carbon nanotubes are sooo 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boozer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Boozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish more people were as mentally flexible as you are, Ron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish more people were as mentally flexible as you are, Ron.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JimNobles wrote:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;While the insurrection from within NASA that produced the impressive work that became known as â€œDIRECTâ€ was able to show that Constellation was too expensive and unnecessary it was unable to make a case for itself.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Good summary, and that pretty much sums up what I experienced as a DIRECT enthusiast when I started coming to Space Politics many years ago.  Through the efforts of and many posters, who educated me on the various cost structures of the Shuttle and other programs, I eventually came to understand what you wrote in your post.

I think the DIRECT team did a good job, but it wasn&#039;t needed and it still would have been too expensive of a system to operate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimNobles wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>While the insurrection from within NASA that produced the impressive work that became known as â€œDIRECTâ€ was able to show that Constellation was too expensive and unnecessary it was unable to make a case for itself.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Good summary, and that pretty much sums up what I experienced as a DIRECT enthusiast when I started coming to Space Politics many years ago.  Through the efforts of and many posters, who educated me on the various cost structures of the Shuttle and other programs, I eventually came to understand what you wrote in your post.</p>
<p>I think the DIRECT team did a good job, but it wasn&#8217;t needed and it still would have been too expensive of a system to operate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boozer</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/12/06/nrc-report-nasa-hasnt-made-the-case-for-a-human-asteroid-mission/#comment-388529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Boozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely correct, Jim, as indicated by the Augustine Committee.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely correct, Jim, as indicated by the Augustine Committee.</p>
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		<title>By: JimNobles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimNobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;We could have had DIRECT and two manned launch systems for the money that was wasted on Ares 1, with no disruption to our tech base.&lt;/cite&gt;

While the insurrection from within NASA that produced the impressive work that became known as &quot;DIRECT&quot; was able to show that Constellation was too expensive and unnecessary it was unable to make a case for itself. DIRECT was obviously better than Constellation but IMO was not enough of an improvement to replace the program of record.  Why?  The old tech, the legacy costs of operations, and many other things.




I am grateful for the work the DIRECT team did.  But what they mainly accomplished was bringing to light the absurdities of the program they hoped to replace but ultimately  could not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>We could have had DIRECT and two manned launch systems for the money that was wasted on Ares 1, with no disruption to our tech base.</cite></p>
<p>While the insurrection from within NASA that produced the impressive work that became known as &#8220;DIRECT&#8221; was able to show that Constellation was too expensive and unnecessary it was unable to make a case for itself. DIRECT was obviously better than Constellation but IMO was not enough of an improvement to replace the program of record.  Why?  The old tech, the legacy costs of operations, and many other things.</p>
<p>I am grateful for the work the DIRECT team did.  But what they mainly accomplished was bringing to light the absurdities of the program they hoped to replace but ultimately  could not.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Shipley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There hasn&#039;t been any disruption to the tech base.  The tech became outmoded.  STS developed nothing new in terms of lv&#039;s over the decades it was flying and it proved to be a very expensive dead-end.
The money&#039;s spent.  Time to get over it and move along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There hasn&#8217;t been any disruption to the tech base.  The tech became outmoded.  STS developed nothing new in terms of lv&#8217;s over the decades it was flying and it proved to be a very expensive dead-end.<br />
The money&#8217;s spent.  Time to get over it and move along.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vulture4 wrote:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;We could buy the only rides to the ISS for the next five years or so other than Soyuz. But I am not suggesting we buy anything from China unless we need it. I am suggesting we offer China full membership in the ISS program.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I&#039;m OK with inviting China to join our efforts in space, including the ISS.  Peace through partnership, and all that.

However let&#039;s remember that China&#039;s space program is government run, and is not commercial in any way.  I mention that because they cannot contribute to a robust, competitive market, since they are not able to abide by competitive pricing - if they wanted to dominate a market, they can run deficits for as long as they want.

But if they want to contribute to the ISS, by all means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vulture4 wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>We could buy the only rides to the ISS for the next five years or so other than Soyuz. But I am not suggesting we buy anything from China unless we need it. I am suggesting we offer China full membership in the ISS program.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m OK with inviting China to join our efforts in space, including the ISS.  Peace through partnership, and all that.</p>
<p>However let&#8217;s remember that China&#8217;s space program is government run, and is not commercial in any way.  I mention that because they cannot contribute to a robust, competitive market, since they are not able to abide by competitive pricing &#8211; if they wanted to dominate a market, they can run deficits for as long as they want.</p>
<p>But if they want to contribute to the ISS, by all means.</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We could buy the only rides to the ISS for the next five years or so other than Soyuz. But I am not suggesting we buy anything from China unless we need it. I am suggesting we offer China full membership in the ISS program. The standard Chinese access stands provide full weather protection and full vehicle access, and can be retracted in a few minutes at T-1 hr. Competition would lower the price and provide assured access. China can also launch ISS modules, and afford to provide substantial logistics without US subsidies. Most importantly, it would build trust between potential adversaries, not just US-China but China-Japan and others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could buy the only rides to the ISS for the next five years or so other than Soyuz. But I am not suggesting we buy anything from China unless we need it. I am suggesting we offer China full membership in the ISS program. The standard Chinese access stands provide full weather protection and full vehicle access, and can be retracted in a few minutes at T-1 hr. Competition would lower the price and provide assured access. China can also launch ISS modules, and afford to provide substantial logistics without US subsidies. Most importantly, it would build trust between potential adversaries, not just US-China but China-Japan and others.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But NASA should ask industry what new technologies are needed, not the other way around.&quot;

Unfortunately, NASA does not want to ask. NASA wants to be asked. 

Someone once posted about the worst divas working at NASA... 

FWIW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But NASA should ask industry what new technologies are needed, not the other way around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, NASA does not want to ask. NASA wants to be asked. </p>
<p>Someone once posted about the worst divas working at NASA&#8230; </p>
<p>FWIW.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vulture4 wrote:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Finally, the Long March 5, the new Chinese heavy lift system, is a new design with little or nothing in common with Russian or US LVs, and the new launch site on Hainan is similarly a Chinese design.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Sure, there are some things that the Chinese are doing that is not derived from Soviet/Russian designs, but so far you haven&#039;t pointed out anything that would cause us to say &quot;gee, I wish we could buy that from China&quot;.  Even the Long March 5 will be surpassed by the Falcon Heavy (likely before the Long March 5 flies), and likely for a better price too.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;In comparison, both the Lockheed Atlas and OSC Antares use engines of Russian manufacture.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I think competition is good, and I don&#039;t mind buying tried &amp; true designs or reconditioned parts from approved vendors.  Besides, if Pratt &amp; Whitney wanted the business, they could have made an effort - but they didn&#039;t.  That to me is not an indication that the Russians have better hardware, but that some of our larger aerospace companies have become too dependent on fat government business.  With the new threat of competition from SpaceX, we&#039;ll see if that brings change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vulture4 wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Finally, the Long March 5, the new Chinese heavy lift system, is a new design with little or nothing in common with Russian or US LVs, and the new launch site on Hainan is similarly a Chinese design.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, there are some things that the Chinese are doing that is not derived from Soviet/Russian designs, but so far you haven&#8217;t pointed out anything that would cause us to say &#8220;gee, I wish we could buy that from China&#8221;.  Even the Long March 5 will be surpassed by the Falcon Heavy (likely before the Long March 5 flies), and likely for a better price too.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In comparison, both the Lockheed Atlas and OSC Antares use engines of Russian manufacture.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I think competition is good, and I don&#8217;t mind buying tried &amp; true designs or reconditioned parts from approved vendors.  Besides, if Pratt &amp; Whitney wanted the business, they could have made an effort &#8211; but they didn&#8217;t.  That to me is not an indication that the Russians have better hardware, but that some of our larger aerospace companies have become too dependent on fat government business.  With the new threat of competition from SpaceX, we&#8217;ll see if that brings change.</p>
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