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No I would not. It would probably help if you actually read the RFP.

These are technology demonstration contracts. There is no advanced booster ‘program’. And if there were, which there isn’t, certainly Mr. Musk wouldn’t feel compelled to submit, since he already has functioning demonstrated boosters that require no technology demonstration at all, having already been demonstrated in reality of actual demonstrated flights. You could claim that he hasn’t demonstrated parallel staging of said boosters, but that will be demonstrated by the end of next year. Furthermore I question your ability to read the future and Mr. Musk’s mind whether there may eventually be an SLS advanced booster program and whether he may choose to submit or not, but I also don’t see why he would since the program clearly falls into the realm of ‘fraudulence’. As in defrauding the American public with nonsense designs. I’m only pointing out some very easy ways in which the design of the SLS could quickly move from fraudulent, to extremely interesting and valuable for the American public. I’m glad I could help you get a grip on your misunderstandings of the SLS program and its misdirection. Since your position appears to me to be inflexible, this conversation is over.

“Again, I reiterate – there is no SLS booster ‘program’. Period. Nobody is bidding on any SLS boosters, neither solid or liquid.

If you can’t even get your basic fact right there is no point in continuing this discussion. Thanks.”

Uh, then why did NASA just award $137.3M to three companies for the SLS Advanced Booster contracts? Would you consider that a “basic fact”?

“On the other hand, there is the congressionally mandated SLS ‘program’ that doesn’t appear to be going away, and thus I posit there is a need to make it perform more realistically.”

Ya think? I’m glad you finally realized this, but it’s entirely unrelated to what Congress wanted when they created the SLS program. They would have been perfectly happy to have the current SRM’s be usable for the 130mt version of the SLS, but unfortunately they can’t control that decision without new scrutiny being applied to the whole program (any law they introduce would bring unwanted attention to the whole program). And in any case, the design is set for now, and it’s already starting to slip schedule and go over budget, so why would NASA want to spend even MORE money on the program?

“But some guy on the internet says otherwise, so I defer to your superior understanding of the SLS ‘booster’ ‘program’.”

Glad I could help.

Again, I reiterate – there is no SLS booster ‘program’. Period. Nobody is bidding on any SLS boosters, neither solid or liquid.

If you can’t even get your basic fact right there is no point in continuing this discussion. Thanks.

But look, the bottom line here is that you are trying hard to make the SLS “better”, when in fact there is no need for an SLS-sized, government-built, government-run rocket, so there is nothing anyone could do to make it “better”.

On the other hand, there is the congressionally mandated SLS ‘program’ that doesn’t appear to be going away, and thus I posit there is a need to make it perform more realistically. But some guy on the internet says otherwise, so I defer to your superior understanding of the SLS ‘booster’ ‘program’.

“That statement is simply NOT TRUE. There are Falcon Heavy boosters in development.”

Yes, for Falcon Heavy, not the SLS. And again, Musk is not going to be bidding on the SLS booster program, so this is a completely moot point.

But look, the bottom line here is that you are trying hard to make the SLS “better”, when in fact there is no need for an SLS-sized, government-built, government-run rocket, so there is nothing anyone could do to make it “better”.

The best thing to do is to lobby for the SLS program to be killed and let the market determine what needs to come next. Then maybe someone will recognize what a genius you are and hire you to build the “next best thing”…

As long as “leadership” in space is viewed as “NASA sending humans to somewhere” then there is not going to be much of it.

A few things should be clear:

1. NASA cannot conduct human spaceflight programs that have realistic time frames for anywhere near approaching the amount of money that is likely to be spent.

The Golden Spike folks (as I noted to Whittington) even if they missed their price by a factor of 2 would accomplish “something” in space for about what SLS/ORION spent in their Cx guises. And for that there was nothing. At current funding rates NASA will need at least 30 billion more (so around 45 billion) to get to a simple human test flight of Orion…that is essentially a 45 billion dollar flight. And with that there is no anything after that.

2. Unless how NASA has been doing HSF but space programs in general is abandoned and some other mechanism found it will soon be obvious that ANY human space effort will quickly price itself out of the market

The EML station for all its hoopla…never had a price tag to get to some operational condition.

3. The time spans are to long.

Its hard to imagine how a knock off of the shuttle system that replaces the orbiter with some sort of cargo carrier or a modified Apollo capsule takes a little over 15 years at 3 billion a year

Until this changes we are doing the theme song from STreets of Fire…as Ellen and the Attackers noted; we are going nowhere but we are going nowhere fast.

RGO