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	<title>Comments on: AIA measures the impact of sequestration on the space industry</title>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[going over the cliff will probably do more good than bad. taxes will go up (as they need to), spending will be cut (including the ridiculously bloated military budget). that&#039;s good. let&#039;s hope the republicans won&#039;t be dumb enough to hold renewed tax cuts for the middle class hostage to the wishes of their billionaire masters.

if we&#039;re lucky sequestration will mean the end of sls and maybe even orion. yay!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>going over the cliff will probably do more good than bad. taxes will go up (as they need to), spending will be cut (including the ridiculously bloated military budget). that&#8217;s good. let&#8217;s hope the republicans won&#8217;t be dumb enough to hold renewed tax cuts for the middle class hostage to the wishes of their billionaire masters.</p>
<p>if we&#8217;re lucky sequestration will mean the end of sls and maybe even orion. yay!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boozer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Boozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Rand&#039;s statement of
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Nonsense. We can afford human spaceflight by just spending the money on human spaceflight, instead of big rockets that we donâ€™t need. Tax policy is completely irrelevant to space policy.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
is being misinterpreted.  There is more than enough money in the NASA budget to do very ambitious deep space flight if we axe SLS and Orion/MPCV &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; raising taxes.  As former Executive Secretary of the National Space Council under George H.W. Bush said this year, if we cancel SLS/Orion-MPCV:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;At $17.3 billion [current NASA budget] we could have an absolutely unbelievable space program.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
I suspect that would be true to a lesser extent even after the expected 5% hack that would occur if sequestering goes into effect.

So from the standpoint of having a viable and vigorous human deep space agenda, the raising of taxes is not necessary for NASA to be truly relevant.  But this is true only if we get rid of dead weight, such as SLS.  However, if we keep SLS, then yes the only way to actually accomplish something would be to raise NASA&#039;s budget by a truly &lt;b&gt;exorbitant&lt;/b&gt; amount, which could only occur under the fantasy scenario of a really &lt;b&gt;humongous&lt;/b&gt; tax increase.  Even if that extremely unlikely huge tax increase occurred, then Congress still probably would not choose to up NASA&#039;s budget by much if any.  I give you the following as evidence: NASA&#039;s budget did not go up significantly during the economic boom of the 90s when the government had a budget &lt;b&gt;surplus&lt;/b&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Rand&#8217;s statement of<br />
<i>&#8220;Nonsense. We can afford human spaceflight by just spending the money on human spaceflight, instead of big rockets that we donâ€™t need. Tax policy is completely irrelevant to space policy.&#8221;</i><br />
is being misinterpreted.  There is more than enough money in the NASA budget to do very ambitious deep space flight if we axe SLS and Orion/MPCV <i>without</i> raising taxes.  As former Executive Secretary of the National Space Council under George H.W. Bush said this year, if we cancel SLS/Orion-MPCV:<br />
<i>&#8220;At $17.3 billion [current NASA budget] we could have an absolutely unbelievable space program.&#8221;</i><br />
I suspect that would be true to a lesser extent even after the expected 5% hack that would occur if sequestering goes into effect.</p>
<p>So from the standpoint of having a viable and vigorous human deep space agenda, the raising of taxes is not necessary for NASA to be truly relevant.  But this is true only if we get rid of dead weight, such as SLS.  However, if we keep SLS, then yes the only way to actually accomplish something would be to raise NASA&#8217;s budget by a truly <b>exorbitant</b> amount, which could only occur under the fantasy scenario of a really <b>humongous</b> tax increase.  Even if that extremely unlikely huge tax increase occurred, then Congress still probably would not choose to up NASA&#8217;s budget by much if any.  I give you the following as evidence: NASA&#8217;s budget did not go up significantly during the economic boom of the 90s when the government had a budget <b>surplus</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;in the hopes that things get fixed retroactively.&quot;

A Clinton administration will not change a thing for NASA current course. 

What is your point?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in the hopes that things get fixed retroactively.&#8221;</p>
<p>A Clinton administration will not change a thing for NASA current course. </p>
<p>What is your point?</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then if you care and if you keep assuming they can just throw away money, how do you expect them to do the right thing? Somehow we must keep their feet to the fire. Remind them that money is not for free and that they owe the US public feedback on their expenditures whatever they are. Congress should also be paid for performance. If you assume they can just spend our money the way they like just because then be ready for more of the same.

COTS like program can be on the rise, not only at NASA but also at DoD where they are badly needed. It is not about political ideology it is about pragmatism and making our government works for us all. 

Yet another quote - slightly edited for your enterainment - by Nicholson. &quot;When I think of Congress I think of the public and I take away reason and accountability.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then if you care and if you keep assuming they can just throw away money, how do you expect them to do the right thing? Somehow we must keep their feet to the fire. Remind them that money is not for free and that they owe the US public feedback on their expenditures whatever they are. Congress should also be paid for performance. If you assume they can just spend our money the way they like just because then be ready for more of the same.</p>
<p>COTS like program can be on the rise, not only at NASA but also at DoD where they are badly needed. It is not about political ideology it is about pragmatism and making our government works for us all. </p>
<p>Yet another quote &#8211; slightly edited for your enterainment &#8211; by Nicholson. &#8220;When I think of Congress I think of the public and I take away reason and accountability.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I care because I&#039;d rather not have them waste the money, and I&#039;d rather not have them perpetuate the myth that they are necessary to get beyond LEO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I care because I&#8217;d rather not have them waste the money, and I&#8217;d rather not have them perpetuate the myth that they are necessary to get beyond LEO.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Washington spends what it wants to spend, regardless of revenue.&quot;

And this is not absurd to you? Oh come on! Whether you can technically do this or not is not the point. What is the point is to spend sensibly, spend with return in mind. Return must be defined otherwise you end up with SLS/MPCV and then I return your argument to you. If Washington can spend whatever it wants then let them have SLS/MPCV. Why do you care?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Washington spends what it wants to spend, regardless of revenue.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this is not absurd to you? Oh come on! Whether you can technically do this or not is not the point. What is the point is to spend sensibly, spend with return in mind. Return must be defined otherwise you end up with SLS/MPCV and then I return your argument to you. If Washington can spend whatever it wants then let them have SLS/MPCV. Why do you care?</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thinking that there is any relationship between government spending and taxation is what is absurd.  Historically, there is zero correlation, other than that both coarsely go up over time.  Washington spends what it wants to spend, regardless of revenue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking that there is any relationship between government spending and taxation is what is absurd.  Historically, there is zero correlation, other than that both coarsely go up over time.  Washington spends what it wants to spend, regardless of revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Space policy irrelevant of the revenues or the customers so to speak, has led to absurd policy implementation. It works for any agency be it NASA, the DoD or whatever. And we shall see how much longer it can be sustained without damaging the agency(ies). 

I am not disputing NASA&#039;s budget. I am disputing the policy and its implementation that is not made in concert with public interests.

But in the end we agree to the restructuring and it will either be voluntary or not so much. There is a choice. Now. 

NASA did not want SLS, Congress forced it down its throat. Some at NASA want SLS of course. And when SLS is being forced upon the agency then those voices of support have more influence on what NASA does. The amount of $$$ in any budget is the source of power of any manager. Not competency. Power. For how long?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Space policy irrelevant of the revenues or the customers so to speak, has led to absurd policy implementation. It works for any agency be it NASA, the DoD or whatever. And we shall see how much longer it can be sustained without damaging the agency(ies). </p>
<p>I am not disputing NASA&#8217;s budget. I am disputing the policy and its implementation that is not made in concert with public interests.</p>
<p>But in the end we agree to the restructuring and it will either be voluntary or not so much. There is a choice. Now. </p>
<p>NASA did not want SLS, Congress forced it down its throat. Some at NASA want SLS of course. And when SLS is being forced upon the agency then those voices of support have more influence on what NASA does. The amount of $$$ in any budget is the source of power of any manager. Not competency. Power. For how long?</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[common sense wrote:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Tax are being used to fund NASA. Having space policy irrelevant to your source of revenues is absurd.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

NASA&#039;s budget is pure spending, no revenue.  That&#039;s not unusual, as most government agencies and departments are pure spending - how much money does the DoD take in?

There is no limit to the amount of money NASA can be given, it&#039;s more a matter of how much Congress wants to spend.  In fact NASA&#039; budget, as a percentage of the Federal Budget, is at it&#039;s lowest point since 1959.  The last time it had a big increase in budget was 20 years ago when the ISS was being built, but otherwise it&#039;s been consistently below 1% since 1975.

The agency needs a restructuring, it&#039;s just a matter of who will take the lead to do it.  But I&#039;d be happy if it kept it&#039;s budget at the same level it has today - that&#039;s plenty to fund cutting-edge human exploration, but only if the SLS is cancelled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>common sense wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Tax are being used to fund NASA. Having space policy irrelevant to your source of revenues is absurd.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>NASA&#8217;s budget is pure spending, no revenue.  That&#8217;s not unusual, as most government agencies and departments are pure spending &#8211; how much money does the DoD take in?</p>
<p>There is no limit to the amount of money NASA can be given, it&#8217;s more a matter of how much Congress wants to spend.  In fact NASA&#8217; budget, as a percentage of the Federal Budget, is at it&#8217;s lowest point since 1959.  The last time it had a big increase in budget was 20 years ago when the ISS was being built, but otherwise it&#8217;s been consistently below 1% since 1975.</p>
<p>The agency needs a restructuring, it&#8217;s just a matter of who will take the lead to do it.  But I&#8217;d be happy if it kept it&#8217;s budget at the same level it has today &#8211; that&#8217;s plenty to fund cutting-edge human exploration, but only if the SLS is cancelled.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Tax policy is completely irrelevant to space policy.&quot;

Absolutely preposterous. Tax are being used to fund NASA. Having space policy irrelevant to your source of revenues is absurd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tax policy is completely irrelevant to space policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely preposterous. Tax are being used to fund NASA. Having space policy irrelevant to your source of revenues is absurd.</p>
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