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	<title>Comments on: Russian meteor, asteroid flyby get the attention of the House Science Committee</title>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So technically computers and their programs are deterministic von Neumann machines, so yeah, the output is exactly what was expected. But since I don&#039;t have access to the source code all I can do is compare the output parameters to the observed explosive yield and explosion height. I didn&#039;t check a lot of things to see exactly what is required to get a medium sized meteor to hit the ground, and the inputs are rather limited and I&#039;m sure it&#039;s using some kind of table derived from more advanced numerical and computational treatments. I just wasn&#039;t able to make an impact reach the ground with the numbers I had by varying impact angle.

These aren&#039;t symplectic integrators. Impact explosions are messy. But another thing I have observed is that the meteor impact and explosion and the resulting debris field from the single distant dash cam that captures almost the entire event from start to finish, looks very much like any many other larger grazing micrometeoroid impacts I have witnessed, for instance, the Perseids - only this was much larger. However, the dynamical form and evolution of these events seem to be very similar, at least up to the size that we have observed until now. The impactor has a well defined initial kinetic energy, and a fraction of that is ultimately delivered to the atmosphere as heat and light, the rest being distributed across the individual impact fragments that hit. And it appears in this case there were a lot of very small impact fragments, but it still remains to be determined how fast they were going and how many of them reached the ground, in some ellipse, although rough estimates can be obtained from the explosive yield.

I did suggest to the workers in this field that they need to start developing some aircraft sampling procedures for the immediate aftermath of these kinds of impact events in order to get a pristine set of microscopic impact proxies before the impact plume disperses, and in order to get much larger samples of the fresh microscopic impact particles before they have a chance to dilute from dispersion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So technically computers and their programs are deterministic von Neumann machines, so yeah, the output is exactly what was expected. But since I don&#8217;t have access to the source code all I can do is compare the output parameters to the observed explosive yield and explosion height. I didn&#8217;t check a lot of things to see exactly what is required to get a medium sized meteor to hit the ground, and the inputs are rather limited and I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s using some kind of table derived from more advanced numerical and computational treatments. I just wasn&#8217;t able to make an impact reach the ground with the numbers I had by varying impact angle.</p>
<p>These aren&#8217;t symplectic integrators. Impact explosions are messy. But another thing I have observed is that the meteor impact and explosion and the resulting debris field from the single distant dash cam that captures almost the entire event from start to finish, looks very much like any many other larger grazing micrometeoroid impacts I have witnessed, for instance, the Perseids &#8211; only this was much larger. However, the dynamical form and evolution of these events seem to be very similar, at least up to the size that we have observed until now. The impactor has a well defined initial kinetic energy, and a fraction of that is ultimately delivered to the atmosphere as heat and light, the rest being distributed across the individual impact fragments that hit. And it appears in this case there were a lot of very small impact fragments, but it still remains to be determined how fast they were going and how many of them reached the ground, in some ellipse, although rough estimates can be obtained from the explosive yield.</p>
<p>I did suggest to the workers in this field that they need to start developing some aircraft sampling procedures for the immediate aftermath of these kinds of impact events in order to get a pristine set of microscopic impact proxies before the impact plume disperses, and in order to get much larger samples of the fresh microscopic impact particles before they have a chance to dilute from dispersion.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;One has to wonder if there are any credible space cadets posting here.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

By definition, can a &quot;space cadet&quot; be credible?

Of course I don&#039;t see myself as a &quot;space cadet&quot;, but a &quot;space enthusiast&quot;.  Space is an area of personal interest, but I&#039;m not employed by any companies in the field.  However my area of expertise, manufacturing operations, does provide me with a good basis to understand a number of the issues that are influencing what we can and cannot do in space.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;I take that answer to be a negative then. You donâ€™t have any numbers.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

42 is the answer to the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.  Not sure why you didn&#039;t catch that.

But I&#039;m surprised that you would think that you can use unknown parameters to determine anything - miss that bit of humor?  I was poking fun at your seriousness in telling us that you have verified that your simulations were surprisingly accurate with known parameters.  Would you tell us if they were surprisingly INACCURATE with known parameters?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>One has to wonder if there are any credible space cadets posting here.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>By definition, can a &#8220;space cadet&#8221; be credible?</p>
<p>Of course I don&#8217;t see myself as a &#8220;space cadet&#8221;, but a &#8220;space enthusiast&#8221;.  Space is an area of personal interest, but I&#8217;m not employed by any companies in the field.  However my area of expertise, manufacturing operations, does provide me with a good basis to understand a number of the issues that are influencing what we can and cannot do in space.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>I take that answer to be a negative then. You donâ€™t have any numbers.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>42 is the answer to the &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)" title="" rel="nofollow">Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything</a>&#8220;.  Not sure why you didn&#8217;t catch that.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m surprised that you would think that you can use unknown parameters to determine anything &#8211; miss that bit of humor?  I was poking fun at your seriousness in telling us that you have verified that your simulations were surprisingly accurate with known parameters.  Would you tell us if they were surprisingly INACCURATE with known parameters?</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take that answer to be a negative then. You don&#039;t have any numbers.

One has to wonder if there are any credible space cadets posting here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take that answer to be a negative then. You don&#8217;t have any numbers.</p>
<p>One has to wonder if there are any credible space cadets posting here.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;do you have some numbers to share with us?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Just one - 42.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>do you have some numbers to share with us?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Just one &#8211; 42.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh good grief.   From the link:

&lt;i&gt; DVK: Many media reported that an airburst caused window breakage and some structural damage in downtown Chelaybinsk. Normally, some damage begins to occur at around five times normal air pressure at sea level. Widespread window damage is expected around 10â€“20 times this value. &lt;/i&gt;

I can assure you, if the blast wave that hit Chelyabinsk had a pressure of 5 atmospheres, no buildings would be standing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh good grief.   From the link:</p>
<p><i> DVK: Many media reported that an airburst caused window breakage and some structural damage in downtown Chelaybinsk. Normally, some damage begins to occur at around five times normal air pressure at sea level. Widespread window damage is expected around 10â€“20 times this value. </i></p>
<p>I can assure you, if the blast wave that hit Chelyabinsk had a pressure of 5 atmospheres, no buildings would be standing.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure which impact simulator you used but the one I used would not return a result with undetermined parameters. I tried a variety of angles of incidence and all of them showed complete destruction of the impacting body before it reached the ground. To get it to hit the ground seemed to require either more speed or a higher density and a higher angle with the ground. With higher density meteors a higher altitude helps it reach the ground as well.

Are you just naturally contrary or do you have some numbers to share with us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure which impact simulator you used but the one I used would not return a result with undetermined parameters. I tried a variety of angles of incidence and all of them showed complete destruction of the impacting body before it reached the ground. To get it to hit the ground seemed to require either more speed or a higher density and a higher angle with the ground. With higher density meteors a higher altitude helps it reach the ground as well.</p>
<p>Are you just naturally contrary or do you have some numbers to share with us?</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guest said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;I did a few simulator runs and they were surprisingly accurate with known parameters.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

How odd.  I did a few simulator runs and they were surprisingly accurate with &lt;i&gt;unknown&lt;/i&gt; parameters...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>I did a few simulator runs and they were surprisingly accurate with known parameters.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>How odd.  I did a few simulator runs and they were surprisingly accurate with <i>unknown</i> parameters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding is that this particular mass was destined to explode no matter what. I did a few simulator runs and they were surprisingly accurate with known parameters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that this particular mass was destined to explode no matter what. I did a few simulator runs and they were surprisingly accurate with known parameters.</p>
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		<title>By: E. P. Grondine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. P. Grondine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Guest - 

You are wishing away the semimultaneous global extinction of many animals. You are also trying to wish away several astroblemes from the time.

Here&#039;s an old hint: Don&#039;t try to lay no boogie woogie on the king of rock and roll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guest &#8211; </p>
<p>You are wishing away the semimultaneous global extinction of many animals. You are also trying to wish away several astroblemes from the time.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an old hint: Don&#8217;t try to lay no boogie woogie on the king of rock and roll.</p>
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		<title>By: E. P. Grondine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. P. Grondine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi AW, 
I have rarely seen so much ignorance expressed authoritatively in so few words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi AW,<br />
I have rarely seen so much ignorance expressed authoritatively in so few words.</p>
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