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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/09/17/the-battle-for-launch-complex-39a/#comment-438021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another example of government stupidity. The solution is simple. An auction for a ten or twenty year lease.

Elon pulls out (he can build elsewhere and not have to deal with all the idiocy) and Blue Origin is stuck paying the lease without having anything profitable to fly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of government stupidity. The solution is simple. An auction for a ten or twenty year lease.</p>
<p>Elon pulls out (he can build elsewhere and not have to deal with all the idiocy) and Blue Origin is stuck paying the lease without having anything profitable to fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/09/17/the-battle-for-launch-complex-39a/#comment-424695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2013 01:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, and Blue Origin has flown so many astronauts !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and Blue Origin has flown so many astronauts !</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/09/17/the-battle-for-launch-complex-39a/#comment-424682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA whined:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Empty launch pads, rusting and/or abandoned in place to the elements and associated plant and animal life, reflect stagnation, indifference and indecision.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

No, they reflect that the days of Apollo and the Shuttle are over, and that it&#039;s time for people like you to understand that change does indeed happen - and sometimes not the type that you like.

The days of government space transportation are over, and the reality of it just hasn&#039;t caught up to the dinosaurs like you that support the SLS.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Get a deal.
Get them operational.
Get flying.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

There was a deal, but someone filed a protest.  That&#039;s OK, as it will get resolved in less than six months, and then SpaceX will likely take possession of LC-39A for a 20 year period.

And even though you didn&#039;t know it, you will have gotten your wish...  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA whined:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Empty launch pads, rusting and/or abandoned in place to the elements and associated plant and animal life, reflect stagnation, indifference and indecision.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>No, they reflect that the days of Apollo and the Shuttle are over, and that it&#8217;s time for people like you to understand that change does indeed happen &#8211; and sometimes not the type that you like.</p>
<p>The days of government space transportation are over, and the reality of it just hasn&#8217;t caught up to the dinosaurs like you that support the SLS.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Get a deal.<br />
Get them operational.<br />
Get flying.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>There was a deal, but someone filed a protest.  That&#8217;s OK, as it will get resolved in less than six months, and then SpaceX will likely take possession of LC-39A for a 20 year period.</p>
<p>And even though you didn&#8217;t know it, you will have gotten your wish&#8230;  <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/09/17/the-battle-for-launch-complex-39a/#comment-424681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA moaned:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Space X== indeed NewSpace= has flown nobody.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

In regards to LC-39A, there is no lease requirement that says the lessor has to fly people from that facility.

As usual, you don&#039;t even understand what the issues are...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA moaned:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Space X== indeed NewSpace= has flown nobody.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>In regards to LC-39A, there is no lease requirement that says the lessor has to fly people from that facility.</p>
<p>As usual, you don&#8217;t even understand what the issues are&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/09/17/the-battle-for-launch-complex-39a/#comment-424654</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The other poster made a claim about â€œflexible pathâ€ missions. That term and those missions originate in the Augustine report. That makes the report relevant to the posterâ€™s discussion.&quot;

Actually the term &quot;flexible&quot; dates back under the GWB WH, see here 

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/55583main_vision_space_exploration2.pdf

&quot;Our aim is to explore in a sustainable, affordable, and flexible manner.&quot; Sean O&#039;Keefe Administrator

So called &quot;flexible-path&quot; was another attempt at the O&#039;Keefe/Steidle Spiral Approach with more emphasis on commercial launches even though the CEV Phase 1 choice for the LVs was originally left to the contractors and they included the EELVs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other poster made a claim about â€œflexible pathâ€ missions. That term and those missions originate in the Augustine report. That makes the report relevant to the posterâ€™s discussion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually the term &#8220;flexible&#8221; dates back under the GWB WH, see here </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/55583main_vision_space_exploration2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/55583main_vision_space_exploration2.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Our aim is to explore in a sustainable, affordable, and flexible manner.&#8221; Sean O&#8217;Keefe Administrator</p>
<p>So called &#8220;flexible-path&#8221; was another attempt at the O&#8217;Keefe/Steidle Spiral Approach with more emphasis on commercial launches even though the CEV Phase 1 choice for the LVs was originally left to the contractors and they included the EELVs.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Shipley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great turn of phrase in your last paragraph.  Well done indeed Sir!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great turn of phrase in your last paragraph.  Well done indeed Sir!</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I still have heard zero rationale from any SpaceX gushers why they deserve a 20 year exclusive lease of the pad.&quot; notes Go4TLI.

They don&#039;t. And won&#039;t. Bear in mind, as 2013 draws to a close,  Space X== indeed NewSpace= has flown nobody. Exclusivity is a non-starter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still have heard zero rationale from any SpaceX gushers why they deserve a 20 year exclusive lease of the pad.&#8221; notes Go4TLI.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t. And won&#8217;t. Bear in mind, as 2013 draws to a close,  Space X== indeed NewSpace= has flown nobody. Exclusivity is a non-starter.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 01:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once upon a time, these national assets, owned by the people of the United States,  were labeled, &#039;Moonport, USA&#039;- Early on, a third pad was planned (39C) for Saturn ops but budget contraints credited to the rising costs of the Vietnam war scuttled it. 

Among the sadder, lingering memories of KSC are 1) the demolition of the Mercury/Atlas LC-14 and its rusting gantry-- front page news in the mid-1970s BTW-  and 2) LC-39A &amp; 39B empty and amidst quiet reconfiguration for shuttle ops recycling steel from Apollo LT assemblies.

The silence at KSC was deafening then. Just as it is now. 

The Kennedy Space Center is not the Hoboken ferry docks. Empty launch pads, rusting and/or abandoned in place to the elements and associated plant and animal life, reflect stagnation, indifference and indecision.

Get a deal. 
Get them operational. 
Get flying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time, these national assets, owned by the people of the United States,  were labeled, &#8216;Moonport, USA&#8217;- Early on, a third pad was planned (39C) for Saturn ops but budget contraints credited to the rising costs of the Vietnam war scuttled it. </p>
<p>Among the sadder, lingering memories of KSC are 1) the demolition of the Mercury/Atlas LC-14 and its rusting gantry&#8211; front page news in the mid-1970s BTW-  and 2) LC-39A &amp; 39B empty and amidst quiet reconfiguration for shuttle ops recycling steel from Apollo LT assemblies.</p>
<p>The silence at KSC was deafening then. Just as it is now. </p>
<p>The Kennedy Space Center is not the Hoboken ferry docks. Empty launch pads, rusting and/or abandoned in place to the elements and associated plant and animal life, reflect stagnation, indifference and indecision.</p>
<p>Get a deal.<br />
Get them operational.<br />
Get flying.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Kind of like SpaceX in 2004/2005. But donâ€™t stop with the commentary, this is great fun.&quot;

Yes indeed. Blue Origin was founded in 2000, SpaceX in 2002. 
Six years after SpaceX reached orbit, ten years after SpaceX docked with the ISS. 
Thirteen years after its creation Blue Origin managed to crash a suborbital rocket that flew as high as 14 km.
Sorry, these two companies are not at all alike. But please keep going on you SpaceX bashers, as you said this is great fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kind of like SpaceX in 2004/2005. But donâ€™t stop with the commentary, this is great fun.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes indeed. Blue Origin was founded in 2000, SpaceX in 2002.<br />
Six years after SpaceX reached orbit, ten years after SpaceX docked with the ISS.<br />
Thirteen years after its creation Blue Origin managed to crash a suborbital rocket that flew as high as 14 km.<br />
Sorry, these two companies are not at all alike. But please keep going on you SpaceX bashers, as you said this is great fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Augustine report, besides being outdated and overtaken by policy and practice over the past 4 years,&quot;

The other poster made a claim about &quot;flexible path&quot; missions.  That term and those missions originate in the Augustine report.  That makes the report relevant to the poster&#039;s discussion.

&quot;makes NO mention of specific missions and time frames.&quot;

Sure it does.  Each of the options has a 2010-2030 schedule laying out what missions would happen when.  See p. 84, 86, 91, etc.

&quot;leasing to companies for non-exclusive use would give NASA the ability to use 39A if multiple SLS launches are needed in the future&quot;

The SLS launch rate will meet production rate over the long-term, and the production rate requirement for SLS is one stack every other year.  At that rate, the chance that SLS will need an extra pad is nil.  Its own pad will go unused for two years at a time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Augustine report, besides being outdated and overtaken by policy and practice over the past 4 years,&#8221;</p>
<p>The other poster made a claim about &#8220;flexible path&#8221; missions.  That term and those missions originate in the Augustine report.  That makes the report relevant to the poster&#8217;s discussion.</p>
<p>&#8220;makes NO mention of specific missions and time frames.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure it does.  Each of the options has a 2010-2030 schedule laying out what missions would happen when.  See p. 84, 86, 91, etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;leasing to companies for non-exclusive use would give NASA the ability to use 39A if multiple SLS launches are needed in the future&#8221;</p>
<p>The SLS launch rate will meet production rate over the long-term, and the production rate requirement for SLS is one stack every other year.  At that rate, the chance that SLS will need an extra pad is nil.  Its own pad will go unused for two years at a time.</p>
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