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		<title>By: common sense</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437782</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which begs the question of the most advanced technology to Mars.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/

Or

http://office.microsoft.com/ru-ru/FX010048776.aspx?WT%2Eintid1=ODC%5FRURU%5FFX010064710%5FXT103926097

Looking at the link above I wonder what happened to Russian no-nonsense rustic (agricultural?) and robust sense of technology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which begs the question of the most advanced technology to Mars.</p>
<p><a href="http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/" rel="nofollow">http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/</a></p>
<p>Or</p>
<p><a href="http://office.microsoft.com/ru-ru/FX010048776.aspx?WT%2Eintid1=ODC%5FRURU%5FFX010064710%5FXT103926097" rel="nofollow">http://office.microsoft.com/ru-ru/FX010048776.aspx?WT%2Eintid1=ODC%5FRURU%5FFX010064710%5FXT103926097</a></p>
<p>Looking at the link above I wonder what happened to Russian no-nonsense rustic (agricultural?) and robust sense of technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/10/russia-unveils-advanced-capsule/#!&quot;

&quot;But, like NASAâ€™s Orion capsule, the New-Generation Advanced Manned Transportation Spacecraft will do nothing to reduce the cost of access to space, nor will provide new capabilities beyond those which the US and Soviet Union possessed in the 1960â€²s.&quot; 

As to the Russian SLS, sounds like they are expected to offer a formal competition to develop a rocket which might be built. Horrors! But it does make for good Powerpoint and, at least unlike SLS, the Yenesi-5 is not now costing them a large fraction of their space development budget. That&#039;s because they aren&#039;t building it. Pretty smart, no? 

So they&#039;re not copying the U.S., but they&#039;re probably smarter than the U.S. Maybe we should call that &quot;riding high&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/10/russia-unveils-advanced-capsule/#!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But, like NASAâ€™s Orion capsule, the New-Generation Advanced Manned Transportation Spacecraft will do nothing to reduce the cost of access to space, nor will provide new capabilities beyond those which the US and Soviet Union possessed in the 1960â€²s.&#8221; </p>
<p>As to the Russian SLS, sounds like they are expected to offer a formal competition to develop a rocket which might be built. Horrors! But it does make for good Powerpoint and, at least unlike SLS, the Yenesi-5 is not now costing them a large fraction of their space development budget. That&#8217;s because they aren&#8217;t building it. Pretty smart, no? </p>
<p>So they&#8217;re not copying the U.S., but they&#8217;re probably smarter than the U.S. Maybe we should call that &#8220;riding high&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is something else...

http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/10/russia-unveils-advanced-capsule/#!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is something else&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/10/russia-unveils-advanced-capsule/#" rel="nofollow">http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/10/russia-unveils-advanced-capsule/#</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437616</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well just like during the Cold War. They are copying the US and are producing an inordinate amount of PowerPoint for Soyuz on Steroids for deep space.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/
&quot;The agency&#039;s tender would essentially start the development of the rocket, which if ever built, could carry cosmonauts to the Moon and even become a foundation for an expedition to Mars.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well just like during the Cold War. They are copying the US and are producing an inordinate amount of PowerPoint for Soyuz on Steroids for deep space.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.russianspaceweb.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.russianspaceweb.com/</a><br />
&#8220;The agency&#8217;s tender would essentially start the development of the rocket, which if ever built, could carry cosmonauts to the Moon and even become a foundation for an expedition to Mars.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437611</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Soyuz is still operational. Been flying for decades. Shuttle is not.&quot;

Well, as you say, Soyuz has been been flying for decades. The main part of Soyuz is 1960s generation, though the latest models have been outfitted with modern avionics. If Shuttle were still working, it would be with upgraded 1970s technologies. &quot;Operational&quot; doesn&#039;t really mean &quot;flying high&quot; to me. If I want to go downtown, I could &quot;ride high&quot; on a horse. Horses are wonderfully &quot;operational&quot;, especially if you&#039;re nice to them. One will always get me downtown. But, as for Soyuz, their capabilities are really quite limited.  

At least we aspire to &quot;ride high&quot;. What are the Russians building that will offer access to deep space?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Soyuz is still operational. Been flying for decades. Shuttle is not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, as you say, Soyuz has been been flying for decades. The main part of Soyuz is 1960s generation, though the latest models have been outfitted with modern avionics. If Shuttle were still working, it would be with upgraded 1970s technologies. &#8220;Operational&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really mean &#8220;flying high&#8221; to me. If I want to go downtown, I could &#8220;ride high&#8221; on a horse. Horses are wonderfully &#8220;operational&#8221;, especially if you&#8217;re nice to them. One will always get me downtown. But, as for Soyuz, their capabilities are really quite limited.  </p>
<p>At least we aspire to &#8220;ride high&#8221;. What are the Russians building that will offer access to deep space?</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Russian space program is still flying high? Really?&quot; snipes Hiram.

Yes, really. Soyuz is still operational. Been flying for decades. Shuttle is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Russian space program is still flying high? Really?&#8221; snipes Hiram.</p>
<p>Yes, really. Soyuz is still operational. Been flying for decades. Shuttle is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Perhaps the most wicked barb was the crack about the Ukraine governmentr being more stableâ€“ as the Russian space program is still flying high.&quot;

The Russian space program is still flying high? Really? I guess that&#039;s related to the fact that just the other day the head of the Russian Space Agency was thrown out on his rear, and that Roskosmos is likely to be split in two halves. It would seem that you have more confidence in the Russian space agency than the Russian government does!

As to the death of one of the Original Seven being symbolic of the American space program being a punchline, what it really symbolizes is that the American space program doesn&#039;t look anything like it did with the Original Seven. With all due respect to the Original Seven, I firmly believe that preservation of that view, of what it takes to be a credible space effort, after fifty years, is in no ones interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps the most wicked barb was the crack about the Ukraine governmentr being more stableâ€“ as the Russian space program is still flying high.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Russian space program is still flying high? Really? I guess that&#8217;s related to the fact that just the other day the head of the Russian Space Agency was thrown out on his rear, and that Roskosmos is likely to be split in two halves. It would seem that you have more confidence in the Russian space agency than the Russian government does!</p>
<p>As to the death of one of the Original Seven being symbolic of the American space program being a punchline, what it really symbolizes is that the American space program doesn&#8217;t look anything like it did with the Original Seven. With all due respect to the Original Seven, I firmly believe that preservation of that view, of what it takes to be a credible space effort, after fifty years, is in no ones interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s exactly right. Most NASA-managed contractor activities are NOT on-site at a NASA center. As a result, the contractor can chose to continue them. But the centers are formally closed. If you are a contractor, and your task is based at the center, and isn&#039;t a &quot;high priority activity&quot;, you&#039;re on stay-cation. 

But I will correct myself and acknowledge that while civil service people are likely to get back pay for work they weren&#039;t allowed to do, the same is not necessarily the case for contractors. In that case, the government may indeed end up spending less, and the savings accrued will be taken from contractor employees who actually thought they had a job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly right. Most NASA-managed contractor activities are NOT on-site at a NASA center. As a result, the contractor can chose to continue them. But the centers are formally closed. If you are a contractor, and your task is based at the center, and isn&#8217;t a &#8220;high priority activity&#8221;, you&#8217;re on stay-cation. </p>
<p>But I will correct myself and acknowledge that while civil service people are likely to get back pay for work they weren&#8217;t allowed to do, the same is not necessarily the case for contractors. In that case, the government may indeed end up spending less, and the savings accrued will be taken from contractor employees who actually thought they had a job.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, NBC&#039;s SNL opened their show lampooning NASA and the shutdown with a skit based on that film, &#039;Gravity&#039;-- almost as scathing as &#039;Newt Gingrich- Moon President&#039; was two years ago. Perhaps the most wicked barb was the crack about the Ukraine governmentr being more stable-- as the Russian space program is still flying high. 

So this week, NASA made the headlines for being closed and laughed at; was depicted in a disaster film about shuttle which in reality hasn&#039;t flown in years- and for the death of one of the Original Seven. America&#039;s space program is now a punchline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, NBC&#8217;s SNL opened their show lampooning NASA and the shutdown with a skit based on that film, &#8216;Gravity&#8217;&#8211; almost as scathing as &#8216;Newt Gingrich- Moon President&#8217; was two years ago. Perhaps the most wicked barb was the crack about the Ukraine governmentr being more stable&#8211; as the Russian space program is still flying high. </p>
<p>So this week, NASA made the headlines for being closed and laughed at; was depicted in a disaster film about shuttle which in reality hasn&#8217;t flown in years- and for the death of one of the Original Seven. America&#8217;s space program is now a punchline.</p>
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		<title>By: mike shupp</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/11/shutdown-update-hearings-closures-and-non-closures/#comment-437293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike shupp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding of things:  Most NASA employees, those not involved in a handful of high-priority activities, are furloughed.  Contractors on those projects are not required to terminate or furlough their personnel, but it isn&#039;t guaranteed that the government will ever pay for those employee&#039;s time.  Also, contractor personnel aren&#039;t allowed on Federal facilities while they are shutdown.  So -- if you&#039;re Lockheed Martin or whatever and you want to keep your headcount up and you have spare offices to set those unneeded employees in and you&#039;re willing to pay them totally from corporate firms, feel free!  

Over time, most folks watching this expect contractors to cut their staffing, but it&#039;s not quite a mechanical process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of things:  Most NASA employees, those not involved in a handful of high-priority activities, are furloughed.  Contractors on those projects are not required to terminate or furlough their personnel, but it isn&#8217;t guaranteed that the government will ever pay for those employee&#8217;s time.  Also, contractor personnel aren&#8217;t allowed on Federal facilities while they are shutdown.  So &#8212; if you&#8217;re Lockheed Martin or whatever and you want to keep your headcount up and you have spare offices to set those unneeded employees in and you&#8217;re willing to pay them totally from corporate firms, feel free!  </p>
<p>Over time, most folks watching this expect contractors to cut their staffing, but it&#8217;s not quite a mechanical process.</p>
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