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	<title>Comments on: Brooks introduces FY14 CR for NASA</title>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/16/brooks-introduces-fy14-cr-for-nasa/#comment-438011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And yet, once it was clear that the US had beaten the Soviets to the moon, the entire political establishment agreed on a massive reduction in spending on NASA. Democrat and Republican, legislative or executive branch, there was a consensus on this.

As others have put it - if your plan is to increase NASA funding, show me the votes in Congress, the Senate and the White House. Otherwise your plan is as realistic as building a hyper drive.

Current NASA spending is supported by a group of concerned Senators and Congress criters (money spent in their states), a small smattering of genuine space cadet politicians (belivers), backers from the STEM concept and (by far the largest) those who vote for NASA spending as part of a deal on spending on their own favored projects.

Trying to build the alliance by spreading the work across as many states as possible via FAR project control has resulted in staggering bloat. The same happens of course for all the DOD programs run the same way. Then the project gets cancelled anyway. New project....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, once it was clear that the US had beaten the Soviets to the moon, the entire political establishment agreed on a massive reduction in spending on NASA. Democrat and Republican, legislative or executive branch, there was a consensus on this.</p>
<p>As others have put it &#8211; if your plan is to increase NASA funding, show me the votes in Congress, the Senate and the White House. Otherwise your plan is as realistic as building a hyper drive.</p>
<p>Current NASA spending is supported by a group of concerned Senators and Congress criters (money spent in their states), a small smattering of genuine space cadet politicians (belivers), backers from the STEM concept and (by far the largest) those who vote for NASA spending as part of a deal on spending on their own favored projects.</p>
<p>Trying to build the alliance by spreading the work across as many states as possible via FAR project control has resulted in staggering bloat. The same happens of course for all the DOD programs run the same way. Then the project gets cancelled anyway. New project&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While on the general subject of nutjob members of Congress ... Frank Wolf gets himself some virtual ink on CNN.com:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/20/world/asia/china-nasa-drama/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#8220;China: NASA mistakenly banned Chinese researchers from conference&#8221;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While on the general subject of nutjob members of Congress &#8230; Frank Wolf gets himself some virtual ink on CNN.com:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/20/world/asia/china-nasa-drama/" rel="nofollow">&ldquo;China: NASA mistakenly banned Chinese researchers from conference&rdquo;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/10/16/brooks-introduces-fy14-cr-for-nasa/#comment-437937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 09:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coastal Ron wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Weâ€™re not so lucky though, since we have to listen to your inane commentsâ€¦&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s another option, namely to neither read nor reply to posts by trolls.

The scroll wheel on my computer&#039;s mouse gets quite the workout on this forum. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coastal Ron wrote:</p>
<p><i>Weâ€™re not so lucky though, since we have to listen to your inane commentsâ€¦</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s another option, namely to neither read nor reply to posts by trolls.</p>
<p>The scroll wheel on my computer&#8217;s mouse gets quite the workout on this forum. <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[amightywind said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;An upside of the shutdown is that establishment Republicans are being driven from the party.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t be so sure.  The people that decide who is driven out are the voters, and right now the polls show a stronger dislike of the Tea Party than the Republican Party.  We really won&#039;t know how this plays out until the next elections are held.

But before the elections, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/18/tea-party-fundraising-primary-challengers/3002257/&quot; title=&quot;Some insurgent Republicans see weaker fundraising&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;non-Tea Party candidates are not doing as well in fund raising as their potential opponents&lt;/a&gt;.  Even the Koch brothers are not happy with what the Tea Party was doing with the shutdown, and the Koch brothers are the true fathers of the Tea Party - that can&#039;t be good.

I wouldn&#039;t be counting your lemming&#039;s until the fat lady sings...  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amightywind said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>An upside of the shutdown is that establishment Republicans are being driven from the party.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so sure.  The people that decide who is driven out are the voters, and right now the polls show a stronger dislike of the Tea Party than the Republican Party.  We really won&#8217;t know how this plays out until the next elections are held.</p>
<p>But before the elections, <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/18/tea-party-fundraising-primary-challengers/3002257/" title="Some insurgent Republicans see weaker fundraising" rel="nofollow">non-Tea Party candidates are not doing as well in fund raising as their potential opponents</a>.  Even the Koch brothers are not happy with what the Tea Party was doing with the shutdown, and the Koch brothers are the true fathers of the Tea Party &#8211; that can&#8217;t be good.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be counting your lemming&#8217;s until the fat lady sings&#8230;  <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA whined:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;...to date, â€œcommercial human spaceflight companiesâ€™ have failed to even attempt to orbit anybody.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Well of course they haven&#039;t, and that&#039;s because they haven&#039;t even tried - which is the biggest point you keep missing.

Or to use your own phase, &quot;False equivalency, of course.&quot;

The government had a different goal with the Gemini program than commercial companies have in working on their crew transportation systems.  And they don&#039;t have a Cold War edict driving them, nor access to +2% of the Federal Budget.

They could care less what your measurement of success is... but luckily for them they aren&#039;t even aware of your existence.  We&#039;re not so lucky though, since we have to listen to your inane comments...  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA whined:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>&#8230;to date, â€œcommercial human spaceflight companiesâ€™ have failed to even attempt to orbit anybody.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Well of course they haven&#8217;t, and that&#8217;s because they haven&#8217;t even tried &#8211; which is the biggest point you keep missing.</p>
<p>Or to use your own phase, &#8220;False equivalency, of course.&#8221;</p>
<p>The government had a different goal with the Gemini program than commercial companies have in working on their crew transportation systems.  And they don&#8217;t have a Cold War edict driving them, nor access to +2% of the Federal Budget.</p>
<p>They could care less what your measurement of success is&#8230; but luckily for them they aren&#8217;t even aware of your existence.  We&#8217;re not so lucky though, since we have to listen to your inane comments&#8230;  <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With three domestic commerical human spaceflight companies..&quot;

Pfft. False equivalency, of course.

And as a reminder, given the passing of Scott Carpenter, Project Mercury- a pioneering government space project of scale-  ended over fifty years ago with six successful manned spaceflights crewed by astronauts- four of them being orbital flights. Since 1963, to date, &quot;commercial human spaceflight companies&#039; have failed to even attempt to orbit anybody.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With three domestic commerical human spaceflight companies..&#8221;</p>
<p>Pfft. False equivalency, of course.</p>
<p>And as a reminder, given the passing of Scott Carpenter, Project Mercury- a pioneering government space project of scale-  ended over fifty years ago with six successful manned spaceflights crewed by astronauts- four of them being orbital flights. Since 1963, to date, &#8220;commercial human spaceflight companies&#8217; have failed to even attempt to orbit anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With three domestic commerical human spaceflight companies coming online, that can put up 21 astronauts at time, I believe your assertion that astronauts are in deline will prove to be wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With three domestic commerical human spaceflight companies coming online, that can put up 21 astronauts at time, I believe your assertion that astronauts are in deline will prove to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: amightywind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[amightywind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Today the editorial board of the Houston Chronicale&lt;/cite&gt;

Establishment Republicans hate Ted Cruz, that&#039;s news? The schism has been obvious since McCain&#039;s &quot;wacko birds&quot; comment. An upside of the shutdown is that establishment Republicans are being driven from the party. Ted Cruz&#039;s hand was strengthened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Today the editorial board of the Houston Chronicale</cite></p>
<p>Establishment Republicans hate Ted Cruz, that&#8217;s news? The schism has been obvious since McCain&#8217;s &#8220;wacko birds&#8221; comment. An upside of the shutdown is that establishment Republicans are being driven from the party. Ted Cruz&#8217;s hand was strengthened.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true. Politics works that way, where legislators vote for show, rather than for result. In this particular Station vote, I suspect a clear majority of them wanted to preserve Station, but an admixture thought it important to go on record looking fiscally responsible for their constituents, while being confident that Station would never get killed. So they voted against it. They were probably having second thoughts as the vote began to look very close. 

I suspect the same thing about the about the House vote we just saw. I&#039;m willing to bet that the vast majority of the GOP members just wanted the shutdown over and done with but, knowing that the bill would pass, which it eventually did at 285-144, they felt safe voting against it for show. Good insurance for the next primary. One wonders how many of those 144 members who went on record opposing the bill were thinking that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true. Politics works that way, where legislators vote for show, rather than for result. In this particular Station vote, I suspect a clear majority of them wanted to preserve Station, but an admixture thought it important to go on record looking fiscally responsible for their constituents, while being confident that Station would never get killed. So they voted against it. They were probably having second thoughts as the vote began to look very close. </p>
<p>I suspect the same thing about the about the House vote we just saw. I&#8217;m willing to bet that the vast majority of the GOP members just wanted the shutdown over and done with but, knowing that the bill would pass, which it eventually did at 285-144, they felt safe voting against it for show. Good insurance for the next primary. One wonders how many of those 144 members who went on record opposing the bill were thinking that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me, the most fascinating part is at the end, seeing those House members slowly realize that they were about to kill the Station, standing there staring at the tally board.  I have to wonder if some of them might have changed their vote if they knew it was going to be that close.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the most fascinating part is at the end, seeing those House members slowly realize that they were about to kill the Station, standing there staring at the tally board.  I have to wonder if some of them might have changed their vote if they knew it was going to be that close.</p>
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