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		<title>By: Gregori</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/11/13/bigelow-to-press-us-government-on-lunar-property-rights/#comment-441192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is using fear to sell rope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is using fear to sell rope.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/11/13/bigelow-to-press-us-government-on-lunar-property-rights/#comment-440884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Scarcity does not in itself create a need. Until there is a need for what is on the Moon, then talk about demand is premature.&quot;

I agree completely, which is why I prefaced my comment with the words &quot;If there are riches to be made with lunar material ...&quot;. The discussion about property rights is, in that respect, an academic one. Given that there may well not be riches to be made in this way, one has to wonder about why fences might be erected on the Moon anyway. I suppose if someone has a habitat on the Moon where astronauts are deployed to twiddle their thumbs, one might like to have a fence to protect their view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scarcity does not in itself create a need. Until there is a need for what is on the Moon, then talk about demand is premature.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree completely, which is why I prefaced my comment with the words &#8220;If there are riches to be made with lunar material &#8230;&#8221;. The discussion about property rights is, in that respect, an academic one. Given that there may well not be riches to be made in this way, one has to wonder about why fences might be erected on the Moon anyway. I suppose if someone has a habitat on the Moon where astronauts are deployed to twiddle their thumbs, one might like to have a fence to protect their view.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/11/13/bigelow-to-press-us-government-on-lunar-property-rights/#comment-440869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hiram said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;As per Constellation, itâ€™s pretty clear that the best places to harvest polar volatiles, places that are near power-friendly sites of nearly continuous sunlight, are HIGHLY limited. Weâ€™re talking dozens of acres. Things could well get pretty congested in places like that.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Scarcity does not in itself create a need.  Until there is a need for what is on the Moon, then talk about demand is premature.

For instance, water is cheap here on Earth, and as launch prices continue to fall the cost of acquisition for lunar sources has to fall too to stay competitive.  Local lunar demand/use is likely the first place that will drive the need for harvesting lunar water, but until we have a substantial human presence on the Moon, shipments from Earth are actually less expensive initially.

I hope that we eventually do have enough people on the Moon someday to merit the discussion of who has the rights to mineral extraction, but no government on Earth has shown significant enough interest so far in supporting enough activity to merit serious discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiram said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>As per Constellation, itâ€™s pretty clear that the best places to harvest polar volatiles, places that are near power-friendly sites of nearly continuous sunlight, are HIGHLY limited. Weâ€™re talking dozens of acres. Things could well get pretty congested in places like that.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Scarcity does not in itself create a need.  Until there is a need for what is on the Moon, then talk about demand is premature.</p>
<p>For instance, water is cheap here on Earth, and as launch prices continue to fall the cost of acquisition for lunar sources has to fall too to stay competitive.  Local lunar demand/use is likely the first place that will drive the need for harvesting lunar water, but until we have a substantial human presence on the Moon, shipments from Earth are actually less expensive initially.</p>
<p>I hope that we eventually do have enough people on the Moon someday to merit the discussion of who has the rights to mineral extraction, but no government on Earth has shown significant enough interest so far in supporting enough activity to merit serious discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/11/13/bigelow-to-press-us-government-on-lunar-property-rights/#comment-440853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Moon does not have the same congestion issues as spectrum allocation (at least not for the forseable future) so thereâ€™s no need for an ITU-like structure.&quot;

I have to wonder if that congestion is forseeable sooner, rather than later. If there are riches to be made with lunar material, it stands to reason that some places are much better than others to do that. As per Constellation, it&#039;s pretty clear that the best places to harvest polar volatiles, places that are near power-friendly sites of nearly continuous sunlight, are HIGHLY limited. We&#039;re talking dozens of acres. Things could well get pretty congested in places like that. 

One wonders when we&#039;re going to see the first fence erected around a high point on the rim of Shackleton crater.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Moon does not have the same congestion issues as spectrum allocation (at least not for the forseable future) so thereâ€™s no need for an ITU-like structure.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to wonder if that congestion is forseeable sooner, rather than later. If there are riches to be made with lunar material, it stands to reason that some places are much better than others to do that. As per Constellation, it&#8217;s pretty clear that the best places to harvest polar volatiles, places that are near power-friendly sites of nearly continuous sunlight, are HIGHLY limited. We&#8217;re talking dozens of acres. Things could well get pretty congested in places like that. </p>
<p>One wonders when we&#8217;re going to see the first fence erected around a high point on the rim of Shackleton crater.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Weeden</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/11/13/bigelow-to-press-us-government-on-lunar-property-rights/#comment-440847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Weeden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason for the ITU is not to establish property rights but to coordinate use of the spectrum which is a limited natural resource. And the allocations made by the ITU are to governments, which in turn license companies to use those allocations. That&#039;s the way international law works - states sign the treaties (such as the ITU Convention) and then are responsible for implementing them through national law and regulation.

The Moon does not have the same congestion issues as spectrum allocation (at least not for the forseable future) so there&#039;s no need for an ITU-like structure.

It comes down to nation states licensing outer space activity within the constraints of the existing treaties. No need for a new treaty or an abolishing of the existing treaties to enable commercial activities on the Moon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for the ITU is not to establish property rights but to coordinate use of the spectrum which is a limited natural resource. And the allocations made by the ITU are to governments, which in turn license companies to use those allocations. That&#8217;s the way international law works &#8211; states sign the treaties (such as the ITU Convention) and then are responsible for implementing them through national law and regulation.</p>
<p>The Moon does not have the same congestion issues as spectrum allocation (at least not for the forseable future) so there&#8217;s no need for an ITU-like structure.</p>
<p>It comes down to nation states licensing outer space activity within the constraints of the existing treaties. No need for a new treaty or an abolishing of the existing treaties to enable commercial activities on the Moon.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not quite a &quot;full fledged property right&quot;, but geostationary allocation is managed by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), a United Nations  agency for communication technologies that has hundreds of international members that abide by it. Any &quot;exploitation&quot; of that region is carefully regulated by international agreement. You don&#039;t just fire up a geosat and stake a claim. Sure, one could do the same for the Moon. Makes sense to model it on the ITU. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s up to the U.S. to develop an international licensing scheme, however, and the U.S certainly didn&#039;t do it for geosync comsats. Of course, NOAA licenses commercial U.S. space reconaissance satellites, mainly for national security purposes, though that hardly allocates orbital elements, and has no jurisdiction over such satellites from other countries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not quite a &#8220;full fledged property right&#8221;, but geostationary allocation is managed by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), a United Nations  agency for communication technologies that has hundreds of international members that abide by it. Any &#8220;exploitation&#8221; of that region is carefully regulated by international agreement. You don&#8217;t just fire up a geosat and stake a claim. Sure, one could do the same for the Moon. Makes sense to model it on the ITU. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s up to the U.S. to develop an international licensing scheme, however, and the U.S certainly didn&#8217;t do it for geosync comsats. Of course, NOAA licenses commercial U.S. space reconaissance satellites, mainly for national security purposes, though that hardly allocates orbital elements, and has no jurisdiction over such satellites from other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Weeden</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/11/13/bigelow-to-press-us-government-on-lunar-property-rights/#comment-440820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Weeden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 02:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The kind of full-fledged property rights Bigelow is calling for does not exist for geostationary orbit, and yet there&#039;s somehow a $100 billion a year business established around exploitation of that region.

The same can work for the Moon. The key is, as Andrew points out, a set of property rights that fall short of full-on sovereignty but are enough to reduce uncertainty and create value.

All it requires is the US to develop a licensing scheme for private sector exploitation of the Moon under the existing legal framework, just as they did for commercial communications satellites and remote sensing in Earth orbit.

That won&#039;t satisfy the libertarian idealists who want space to be the first domain free of government interference, but it will open the door to the private sector. And of course it won&#039;t please the CHM crowd who insist commercial exploitation is evil, but that is just as big a pipe dream as zero government interference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kind of full-fledged property rights Bigelow is calling for does not exist for geostationary orbit, and yet there&#8217;s somehow a $100 billion a year business established around exploitation of that region.</p>
<p>The same can work for the Moon. The key is, as Andrew points out, a set of property rights that fall short of full-on sovereignty but are enough to reduce uncertainty and create value.</p>
<p>All it requires is the US to develop a licensing scheme for private sector exploitation of the Moon under the existing legal framework, just as they did for commercial communications satellites and remote sensing in Earth orbit.</p>
<p>That won&#8217;t satisfy the libertarian idealists who want space to be the first domain free of government interference, but it will open the door to the private sector. And of course it won&#8217;t please the CHM crowd who insist commercial exploitation is evil, but that is just as big a pipe dream as zero government interference.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just last year the completion date for the chinese space station was 2020... in that article you linked they are saying 2022... Their schedule is already moving to the right, like NASA?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just last year the completion date for the chinese space station was 2020&#8230; in that article you linked they are saying 2022&#8230; Their schedule is already moving to the right, like NASA?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kent</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/11/13/bigelow-to-press-us-government-on-lunar-property-rights/#comment-440793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;There will be a continuing price to pay for abandonment of Project Constellation.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s true.  Without Constellation the United States will not land its first crew back on the moon in the year 2035.  Nor will land only two four-man crews on the moon for a one-week stay every year thereafter with no money for lunar habitats, manned rovers, EML stations, or deep-space habs.

Considering the commercial market that will develop over the next 22 years, I doubt many people are losing sleep over Constellation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There will be a continuing price to pay for abandonment of Project Constellation.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s true.  Without Constellation the United States will not land its first crew back on the moon in the year 2035.  Nor will land only two four-man crews on the moon for a one-week stay every year thereafter with no money for lunar habitats, manned rovers, EML stations, or deep-space habs.</p>
<p>Considering the commercial market that will develop over the next 22 years, I doubt many people are losing sleep over Constellation.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The moon treaty was drawn up to close a preceived loophole that the Outer Space Treaty did not spell it out about individual ownership or corporate ownership. No space power has ratified the moon treaty .. for that exact reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moon treaty was drawn up to close a preceived loophole that the Outer Space Treaty did not spell it out about individual ownership or corporate ownership. No space power has ratified the moon treaty .. for that exact reason.</p>
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