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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444789</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lori Garver, was/is a political hack, she engages in political manipulation for personal profit, she does not hold, indeed never has held, a Science Degree.&quot;

You know who else didn&#039;t have a &quot;Science Degree&quot;? James Webb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lori Garver, was/is a political hack, she engages in political manipulation for personal profit, she does not hold, indeed never has held, a Science Degree.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know who else didn&#8217;t have a &#8220;Science Degree&#8221;? James Webb.</p>
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		<title>By: S Brennan</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S Brennan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lori Garver, was/is a political hack, she engages in political manipulation for personal profit, she does not hold, indeed never has held, a Science Degree. 

Lori Garver&#039;s interest has always been politics, how such a creature obtained a position of power in the space program should be a study in Machivellian mischief. 

Anybody taken in by Lori Garver&#039;s prognostications on matters related to Aeronautics &amp; Astrophysics should have their credentials to speak on such matters questioned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori Garver, was/is a political hack, she engages in political manipulation for personal profit, she does not hold, indeed never has held, a Science Degree. </p>
<p>Lori Garver&#8217;s interest has always been politics, how such a creature obtained a position of power in the space program should be a study in Machivellian mischief. </p>
<p>Anybody taken in by Lori Garver&#8217;s prognostications on matters related to Aeronautics &amp; Astrophysics should have their credentials to speak on such matters questioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The OIG stated that MPCV.Orion is going to cost 16.5 billion. I believe Booz Allen said that the 30 billion for SLS is a low number and would need a lot more. 50 BILLION ...for a freakin&#039; disposable capsule and launcher. 

SpaceX want 2.5 billion, Lockheed 6 billion and Boeing 6.5 billion.

We could have FULLY FUNDED all three of those and SIX MORE companies besides at those rates, for the cost of these porktrains.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OIG stated that MPCV.Orion is going to cost 16.5 billion. I believe Booz Allen said that the 30 billion for SLS is a low number and would need a lot more. 50 BILLION &#8230;for a freakin&#8217; disposable capsule and launcher. </p>
<p>SpaceX want 2.5 billion, Lockheed 6 billion and Boeing 6.5 billion.</p>
<p>We could have FULLY FUNDED all three of those and SIX MORE companies besides at those rates, for the cost of these porktrains.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MrEarl said:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;And what I was trying to do is to get you to define what you mean by â€œfull up costsâ€.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

What is the full cost of developing the SLS and MPCV?  They shouldn&#039;t be entitlement programs with no end date and no budget cap.

When will they be fully developed, tested and ready for their intended use, and how much will it have cost the U.S. Taxpayer?

Is this a hard concept to understand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrEarl said:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>And what I was trying to do is to get you to define what you mean by â€œfull up costsâ€.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>What is the full cost of developing the SLS and MPCV?  They shouldn&#8217;t be entitlement programs with no end date and no budget cap.</p>
<p>When will they be fully developed, tested and ready for their intended use, and how much will it have cost the U.S. Taxpayer?</p>
<p>Is this a hard concept to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Swallow</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444654</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If only the prime contractors are covered does that mean that any subcontractor termination liabilities would how be paid by the prime contractors?  They must hate getting that hidden price cut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only the prime contractors are covered does that mean that any subcontractor termination liabilities would how be paid by the prime contractors?  They must hate getting that hidden price cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hence the rush to get *an* Orion of *some kind* into orbit. Hence also strange delays to the docking adapter for ISS - a perfect excuse of delaying a manned launch of Commercial Crew.

If a Commercial Crew vehicle flies manned before the next President takes office, SLS/Orion is in trouble.

Hence the fury when certain parties found out that one of the Commercial Crew entrants (no, not Tony Starks lot) had plans for a CBM-to-NDS adapter which would allow their contender to turn up to the station before the &quot;offical&quot; adapter is ready. Just a CAD file apparently that got seen over someones shoulder.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hence the rush to get *an* Orion of *some kind* into orbit. Hence also strange delays to the docking adapter for ISS &#8211; a perfect excuse of delaying a manned launch of Commercial Crew.</p>
<p>If a Commercial Crew vehicle flies manned before the next President takes office, SLS/Orion is in trouble.</p>
<p>Hence the fury when certain parties found out that one of the Commercial Crew entrants (no, not Tony Starks lot) had plans for a CBM-to-NDS adapter which would allow their contender to turn up to the station before the &#8220;offical&#8221; adapter is ready. Just a CAD file apparently that got seen over someones shoulder&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444649</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ll notice that trying to get hold of a cost estimate for SLS/Orion seems strangely difficult.

You&#039;ll also notice that there are a large number of open items - Orion being too heavy for the parachutes for example. 

There is a reason the friends of SLS are looking under the cushions for spare change....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll notice that trying to get hold of a cost estimate for SLS/Orion seems strangely difficult.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll also notice that there are a large number of open items &#8211; Orion being too heavy for the parachutes for example. </p>
<p>There is a reason the friends of SLS are looking under the cushions for spare change&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2013/12/12/house-committee-passes-amended-termination-liability-bill/#comment-444647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[or correct even :)  

or as David Frum once wrote &quot;dead right&quot;  :)

Late here about to sign off.  Robert G. Oler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or correct even <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" />  </p>
<p>or as David Frum once wrote &#8220;dead right&#8221;  <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Late here about to sign off.  Robert G. Oler</p>
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		<title>By: RocketEconomist327</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RocketEconomist327]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You couldn&#039;t be more &quot;Right&quot; Robert ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You couldn&#8217;t be more &#8220;Right&#8221; Robert <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Egad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Egad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; It will be interesting to see how thatâ€™s handled &lt;i&gt;in the [SLS] KDP-C thatâ€™s now (presumably) reaching completion&lt;/i&gt; and which, in the normal course of things, would incorporate a lifetime budget estimate.

Or not. Following a pointer DBN gave to the OIG MPCV report that came out in August, I spotted a figure (No. 7 on page 25) that shows the SLS PDR in July, 2013 -- which actually happened -- and KDP-C with an estimated completion date in September &lt;strong&gt;2014(!)&lt;/strong&gt;. That&#039;s a year after earlier schedules indicated, and, though I normally avoid exclamation points, one seems appropriate here.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
http://oig.nasa.gov/audits/reports/FY13/IG-13-022.pdf

August 15, 2013
Office of Audits
Office of Inspector General
Report No. IG-13-022 (Assignment No. A-12-002-00)

Status of NASA&#039;s Development of the Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle

Efforts to Coordinate Programs.

Recognizing that the programs are at different stages of development, NASA management has taken action to synchronize the MPCV Program with the development schedules for the SLS and GSDO programs. For example, instead of proceeding to the implementation phase, officials directed the MPCV Program to coordinate its development with the SLS and GSDO programs and remain in the formulation phase until the rocket developm ent and ground system programs were more mature. In extending the formulation phase for the MPCV Program, managers revised the Programâ€™s Key Decision Points and other developmental milestones to better align with the SLS and GSDO programs. Figure 7 illustrates the revised development schedule
for the CEV Project and the MPCV, SLS, and GSDO programs.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it appears as if not only the MPCV KDPs were moved, but there was a more general rescheduling that took place sometime this summer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; It will be interesting to see how thatâ€™s handled <i>in the [SLS] KDP-C thatâ€™s now (presumably) reaching completion</i> and which, in the normal course of things, would incorporate a lifetime budget estimate.</p>
<p>Or not. Following a pointer DBN gave to the OIG MPCV report that came out in August, I spotted a figure (No. 7 on page 25) that shows the SLS PDR in July, 2013 &#8212; which actually happened &#8212; and KDP-C with an estimated completion date in September <strong>2014(!)</strong>. That&#8217;s a year after earlier schedules indicated, and, though I normally avoid exclamation points, one seems appropriate here.</p>
<blockquote><p>
<a href="http://oig.nasa.gov/audits/reports/FY13/IG-13-022.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://oig.nasa.gov/audits/reports/FY13/IG-13-022.pdf</a></p>
<p>August 15, 2013<br />
Office of Audits<br />
Office of Inspector General<br />
Report No. IG-13-022 (Assignment No. A-12-002-00)</p>
<p>Status of NASA&#8217;s Development of the Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle</p>
<p>Efforts to Coordinate Programs.</p>
<p>Recognizing that the programs are at different stages of development, NASA management has taken action to synchronize the MPCV Program with the development schedules for the SLS and GSDO programs. For example, instead of proceeding to the implementation phase, officials directed the MPCV Program to coordinate its development with the SLS and GSDO programs and remain in the formulation phase until the rocket developm ent and ground system programs were more mature. In extending the formulation phase for the MPCV Program, managers revised the Programâ€™s Key Decision Points and other developmental milestones to better align with the SLS and GSDO programs. Figure 7 illustrates the revised development schedule<br />
for the CEV Project and the MPCV, SLS, and GSDO programs.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So it appears as if not only the MPCV KDPs were moved, but there was a more general rescheduling that took place sometime this summer.</p>
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