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	<title>Comments on: NASA FY 2015 budget supports asteroids, Europa, and commercial crew, but sacrifices SOFIA</title>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2014 23:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the cst-100 is not designed for beo missions. it runs on batteries (dragon has solar panels), its heat shield is less sturdy and it won&#039;t land using thrusters (like dragon) thus requiring more maintenance/refurbishing after a mission. also, it will be way more expensive, we&#039;re talking about boing here. prime fat cat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the cst-100 is not designed for beo missions. it runs on batteries (dragon has solar panels), its heat shield is less sturdy and it won&#8217;t land using thrusters (like dragon) thus requiring more maintenance/refurbishing after a mission. also, it will be way more expensive, we&#8217;re talking about boing here. prime fat cat.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2014 01:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In what way is CST-100 less capable than DragonRider?

Both will carry a seven-man crew.  Both will be re-usable ten times.  Both will use a pusher escape system.  Both will land on land.

After that, I think you&#039;re down in the weeds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what way is CST-100 less capable than DragonRider?</p>
<p>Both will carry a seven-man crew.  Both will be re-usable ten times.  Both will use a pusher escape system.  Both will land on land.</p>
<p>After that, I think you&#8217;re down in the weeds.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2014 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nasa&#039;s budget is sufficient. cancel sls and orion and there is plenty of money for projects that actually make some sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nasa&#8217;s budget is sufficient. cancel sls and orion and there is plenty of money for projects that actually make some sense.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2014 16:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[boeing would be the worst choice. their capsule is less capable and more expensive than dragon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boeing would be the worst choice. their capsule is less capable and more expensive than dragon.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2014 16:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the way to look at it is not that it&#039;s easy to fund NASA at $35B/yr, but that it&#039;s a real challenge to fund it at $17B/yr. The public thinks that what NASA does is pretty cool, but other than that it doesn&#039;t offer them much (unlike military expenditures). It&#039;s a stretch to think that federal dollars should be expended in the interest of &quot;coolness&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the way to look at it is not that it&#8217;s easy to fund NASA at $35B/yr, but that it&#8217;s a real challenge to fund it at $17B/yr. The public thinks that what NASA does is pretty cool, but other than that it doesn&#8217;t offer them much (unlike military expenditures). It&#8217;s a stretch to think that federal dollars should be expended in the interest of &#8220;coolness&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Russell-Gough</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Russell-Gough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2014 12:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Possibly most expensive though, because Boeing does things the old way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly most expensive though, because Boeing does things the old way.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Shipley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2014 07:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is totally irelevant since there is no way that NASA&#039;s budget is going to increase even marginally.
Don&#039;t you get it.  The general U.S. taxpayer doesn&#039;t give a fig about space or what NASA&#039;s doing.  Zip, nado, zero, nothing.  Therefore why would the WH or Congress in general be at all interested.  It&#039;s a non-issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is totally irelevant since there is no way that NASA&#8217;s budget is going to increase even marginally.<br />
Don&#8217;t you get it.  The general U.S. taxpayer doesn&#8217;t give a fig about space or what NASA&#8217;s doing.  Zip, nado, zero, nothing.  Therefore why would the WH or Congress in general be at all interested.  It&#8217;s a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Glover</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Glover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2014 02:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Why space advocates spend so much energy fighting about which programs within NASA should be killed and which deserve funding is beyond me.&lt;/i&gt;

Why? It&#039;s because...

&lt;i&gt;&quot; Oil companies get over $4 billion every year in tax breaks. Spend that on NASA and we can stop worrying about SLS vs this and SOFIA vs that.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

...we know that there&#039;s a snowball&#039;s chance of that scenario actually happening. Anybody can &lt;i&gt;say&lt;/i&gt; &#039;just take the money from X.&#039; (For non-space advocates, NASA often &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; their preferred &#039;X&#039; to rob for whatever they think is more important.)

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Thatâ€™s all small potatoes.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

True. And irrelevant. NASA&#039;s not going to be given someone &lt;i&gt;else&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; potatoes without a major fight. Work within what&#039;s likely to be achievable, not within a fantasy of unlimited reallocation of government money.

&lt;i&gt;&#039;NASA budget should â€” and easily could â€” be doubled to $35 billion.&lt;/i&gt;

First...no. Not easily. Second, NASA&#039;s primary problem is one of policy, not money. If the &#039;One Penny&#039; advocates got their wish, how would it be spent? Double the money for everything NASA does, right down to janitor salaries? Some of their projects are doing fine. More would only invite waste. Some need more, but not twice as much. More would invite waste. Some do need an approximate doubling, particularly Commercial Crew, but no &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; than that.

And some things are a bad idea at any price. Throwing more money at bad policy won&#039;t make it good policy. (Trust me, in a &#039;doubled NASA budget&#039; environment,&#039; SLS supporters &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; try to grab more than double their current portion...and still not move the operational date one day closer.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why space advocates spend so much energy fighting about which programs within NASA should be killed and which deserve funding is beyond me.</i></p>
<p>Why? It&#8217;s because&#8230;</p>
<p><i>&#8221; Oil companies get over $4 billion every year in tax breaks. Spend that on NASA and we can stop worrying about SLS vs this and SOFIA vs that.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8230;we know that there&#8217;s a snowball&#8217;s chance of that scenario actually happening. Anybody can <i>say</i> &#8216;just take the money from X.&#8217; (For non-space advocates, NASA often <i>is</i> their preferred &#8216;X&#8217; to rob for whatever they think is more important.)</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Thatâ€™s all small potatoes.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>True. And irrelevant. NASA&#8217;s not going to be given someone <i>else&#8217;s</i> potatoes without a major fight. Work within what&#8217;s likely to be achievable, not within a fantasy of unlimited reallocation of government money.</p>
<p><i>&#8216;NASA budget should â€” and easily could â€” be doubled to $35 billion.</i></p>
<p>First&#8230;no. Not easily. Second, NASA&#8217;s primary problem is one of policy, not money. If the &#8216;One Penny&#8217; advocates got their wish, how would it be spent? Double the money for everything NASA does, right down to janitor salaries? Some of their projects are doing fine. More would only invite waste. Some need more, but not twice as much. More would invite waste. Some do need an approximate doubling, particularly Commercial Crew, but no <i>more</i> than that.</p>
<p>And some things are a bad idea at any price. Throwing more money at bad policy won&#8217;t make it good policy. (Trust me, in a &#8216;doubled NASA budget&#8217; environment,&#8217; SLS supporters <i>would</i> try to grab more than double their current portion&#8230;and still not move the operational date one day closer.)</p>
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		<title>By: seamus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seamus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2014 23:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Estimates of corporate welfare spending -- generous tax breaks for businesses who generally don&#039;t need them -- range from $100 to $150 billion annually in the U.S. Why space advocates spend so much energy fighting about which programs within NASA should be killed and which deserve funding is beyond me. That&#039;s all small potatoes. Oil companies get over $4 billion every year in tax breaks. Spend that on NASA and we can stop worrying about SLS vs this and SOFIA vs that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estimates of corporate welfare spending &#8212; generous tax breaks for businesses who generally don&#8217;t need them &#8212; range from $100 to $150 billion annually in the U.S. Why space advocates spend so much energy fighting about which programs within NASA should be killed and which deserve funding is beyond me. That&#8217;s all small potatoes. Oil companies get over $4 billion every year in tax breaks. Spend that on NASA and we can stop worrying about SLS vs this and SOFIA vs that.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2014 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The title of the article was that SOFIA is working out technical kinks. The paragraphs you quote were just intended to illustrate those kinks that are successfully being worked out. Oooh, a circuit breaker. Grab that rug and start pulling! Cancel the program!! You name a project, and I&#039;ll pick and choose quotes that identify &quot;kinks&quot; that it has. I can thusly shoot down any project you want, I guess, right? You chose to ignore the title of the article. Was that an argumentative kink?

I further have to guess you&#039;ve never been on an airplane flight that was cancelled because of a hardware problem. If you have a hardware problem on a space mission, you&#039;re likely sunk. If you have a problem on an airplane, you fix it and fly. You lose a day or two. No sweat. So that&#039;s really a strength that you&#039;re pointing to, rather than a weakness. SOFIA is hands-on science. 

As to chasing interesting targets identified by Herschel, well, that&#039;s just the way science works, where you go after interesting things identified by previous workers, but you ideally do it with new sensors that tell you different things. It would have been nice if SOFIA had first crack at some of these things, but that it didn&#039;t hardly justifies pulling the rug out from under it. 

Consider humans to Mars. Gosh, they&#039;re just going to be following up things that our rovers are doing. Those rovers really scooped our plans to send astronauts there, didn&#039;t they? So let&#039;s pull the rug out from under our hopes to send humans to Mars to do science. I&#039;m serious. The first plans for doing science on Mars never ever considered that a lot of it would be done robotically. 

As to &quot;sick, out of date science instruments&quot;, that&#039;s just a totally fabricated and strangely biased comment. The instrumentation on SOFIA is cutting edge. New instruments are coming on line to do things that previous observatories couldn&#039;t touch.

&quot;Sunk costs&quot; don&#039;t apply to SOFIA. SOFIA works. It&#039;s taking data and papers are being published in quality journals. Just that simple. It&#039;s doing what it was supposed to do. So &quot;sunk costs&quot; is perhaps a fallacy, but just in your post. 

Now, that doesn&#039;t forgive the management mistakes that led to the delay of the program. Lessons were learned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of the article was that SOFIA is working out technical kinks. The paragraphs you quote were just intended to illustrate those kinks that are successfully being worked out. Oooh, a circuit breaker. Grab that rug and start pulling! Cancel the program!! You name a project, and I&#8217;ll pick and choose quotes that identify &#8220;kinks&#8221; that it has. I can thusly shoot down any project you want, I guess, right? You chose to ignore the title of the article. Was that an argumentative kink?</p>
<p>I further have to guess you&#8217;ve never been on an airplane flight that was cancelled because of a hardware problem. If you have a hardware problem on a space mission, you&#8217;re likely sunk. If you have a problem on an airplane, you fix it and fly. You lose a day or two. No sweat. So that&#8217;s really a strength that you&#8217;re pointing to, rather than a weakness. SOFIA is hands-on science. </p>
<p>As to chasing interesting targets identified by Herschel, well, that&#8217;s just the way science works, where you go after interesting things identified by previous workers, but you ideally do it with new sensors that tell you different things. It would have been nice if SOFIA had first crack at some of these things, but that it didn&#8217;t hardly justifies pulling the rug out from under it. </p>
<p>Consider humans to Mars. Gosh, they&#8217;re just going to be following up things that our rovers are doing. Those rovers really scooped our plans to send astronauts there, didn&#8217;t they? So let&#8217;s pull the rug out from under our hopes to send humans to Mars to do science. I&#8217;m serious. The first plans for doing science on Mars never ever considered that a lot of it would be done robotically. </p>
<p>As to &#8220;sick, out of date science instruments&#8221;, that&#8217;s just a totally fabricated and strangely biased comment. The instrumentation on SOFIA is cutting edge. New instruments are coming on line to do things that previous observatories couldn&#8217;t touch.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sunk costs&#8221; don&#8217;t apply to SOFIA. SOFIA works. It&#8217;s taking data and papers are being published in quality journals. Just that simple. It&#8217;s doing what it was supposed to do. So &#8220;sunk costs&#8221; is perhaps a fallacy, but just in your post. </p>
<p>Now, that doesn&#8217;t forgive the management mistakes that led to the delay of the program. Lessons were learned.</p>
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