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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 03:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anybody tried calling Nelson and thanking him for a good decision?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody tried calling Nelson and thanking him for a good decision?</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/03/17/nelson-argues-for-commercial-crew-brooks-and-shelby-seek-more-money-for-sls/#comment-476760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Call Me Ishmael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s say I&#039;m content.  Yes, I know it will probably take longer with less government funding.  But what we end up with will be far more sustainable and considerably cheaper to operate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s say I&#8217;m content.  Yes, I know it will probably take longer with less government funding.  But what we end up with will be far more sustainable and considerably cheaper to operate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mader Levap</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mader Levap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In my opinion, continually shaving money off the administrationâ€™s proposed budget for commercial crew will prove highly beneficial to privately-funded spaceflight in the long run&quot;
So far we got commercial crew launches delayed from 2014/2015 to 2017 thanks to consistent underfunding. I guess you are happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my opinion, continually shaving money off the administrationâ€™s proposed budget for commercial crew will prove highly beneficial to privately-funded spaceflight in the long run&#8221;<br />
So far we got commercial crew launches delayed from 2014/2015 to 2017 thanks to consistent underfunding. I guess you are happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve an incredibly excellent uncanny feeling I discovered just what I needed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve an incredibly excellent uncanny feeling I discovered just what I needed</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Castro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Vulture4,.....I&#039;d much rather see an Apollo &quot;Redux&quot; rather than an ISS Redux!!! THIS has been such a massive fiction being tossed around, that any future attempt at visiting the Moon will get no further in technological ability than the last Apollo mission--------which of course is a gargantuan falsehood!! The increased expedition capabilities that Constellation would have brought on, had the potential of dwarfing whatever took place forty-one years ago! Sure, the beginning missions would resemble Apollo, because we&#039;d of course need to effectively test fly our new hardware.
                                                                                      Did the Space Shuttle go straight to assembling &amp; servicing a space station, overnight? Of course NOT: they first flew those four mini-sortie flights, of STS-1,2,3 &amp; 4. But then after that, the STS missions flew about a hundred of LEO sortie flights, lasting two weeks or less. The Space Shuttle flight that immediately preceded the MIR dockings, very closely resembled the mission plan of STS-5, of many years before. Think about it: from the 1980&#039;s until the 1990&#039;s , all America did in space with astronauts, was LEO sorties------REPEATEDLY!

    So just what the problem is, with some people, if we initiated a new set of manned Moon landings, is beyond me! That first succesful landing in the future------only the 7th one, in the history of humankind, will almost certainly push the envelope of planetary surface operations. They&#039;d most certainly bring along a rover-car------one which likely could be reused, and later unmannedly sent to another site. If they stayed so much as four days on the Lunar surface, they&#039;d instantly make a record of longest landing surface stay time, ever! Increased technology, with regard to space suits, supply-logistics, &amp; radiation-protection, would yield great long-run gifts towards the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vulture4,&#8230;..I&#8217;d much rather see an Apollo &#8220;Redux&#8221; rather than an ISS Redux!!! THIS has been such a massive fiction being tossed around, that any future attempt at visiting the Moon will get no further in technological ability than the last Apollo mission&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;which of course is a gargantuan falsehood!! The increased expedition capabilities that Constellation would have brought on, had the potential of dwarfing whatever took place forty-one years ago! Sure, the beginning missions would resemble Apollo, because we&#8217;d of course need to effectively test fly our new hardware.<br />
                                                                                      Did the Space Shuttle go straight to assembling &amp; servicing a space station, overnight? Of course NOT: they first flew those four mini-sortie flights, of STS-1,2,3 &amp; 4. But then after that, the STS missions flew about a hundred of LEO sortie flights, lasting two weeks or less. The Space Shuttle flight that immediately preceded the MIR dockings, very closely resembled the mission plan of STS-5, of many years before. Think about it: from the 1980&#8217;s until the 1990&#8217;s , all America did in space with astronauts, was LEO sorties&#8212;&#8212;REPEATEDLY!</p>
<p>    So just what the problem is, with some people, if we initiated a new set of manned Moon landings, is beyond me! That first succesful landing in the future&#8212;&#8212;only the 7th one, in the history of humankind, will almost certainly push the envelope of planetary surface operations. They&#8217;d most certainly bring along a rover-car&#8212;&#8212;one which likely could be reused, and later unmannedly sent to another site. If they stayed so much as four days on the Lunar surface, they&#8217;d instantly make a record of longest landing surface stay time, ever! Increased technology, with regard to space suits, supply-logistics, &amp; radiation-protection, would yield great long-run gifts towards the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Call Me Ishmael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 20:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; I think once you pick the right people you give them the ball and let them run with it. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But who are &quot;the right people&quot; and what are &quot;your&quot; qualifications for picking them?

If you say &quot;We have decided that you are the &#039;right&#039; people to make our ball; here is your first payment; just let us know if you need any more&quot; . . . nothing could ever go wrong with that, could it?

If you say &quot;&quot;We have decided that you are the &#039;right&#039; people to make our ball; here is your first payment; there&#039;s more if you need it, but you&#039;ll have to let us watch what you&#039;re doing all the time to make sure you&#039;re not cheating us.  And if that means it will cost more, OK.&quot;, that gives the current situation for everything except Commercial Crew.

If you say &quot;This is the kind of ball we want, and this is what we&#039;ll pay for it.  And perhaps we&#039;ll come up with some modest progress payments, but you shouldn&#039;t count on major money until you actually have a ball to deliver&quot; then the &quot;wrong&quot; 
people will eliminate themselves by failing to come up with anything to deliver, at no more than modest cost to you.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We can keep SLS/Orion going at a lower level as a slush fund to keep the money from going away, which we can cut whenever we have something important we need . . . &lt;/blockquote&gt;

How many time have we managed that so far, in the four (five?) years since the Senate came up with the Senate Launch System?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I think once you pick the right people you give them the ball and let them run with it. </p></blockquote>
<p>But who are &#8220;the right people&#8221; and what are &#8220;your&#8221; qualifications for picking them?</p>
<p>If you say &#8220;We have decided that you are the &#8216;right&#8217; people to make our ball; here is your first payment; just let us know if you need any more&#8221; . . . nothing could ever go wrong with that, could it?</p>
<p>If you say &#8220;&#8221;We have decided that you are the &#8216;right&#8217; people to make our ball; here is your first payment; there&#8217;s more if you need it, but you&#8217;ll have to let us watch what you&#8217;re doing all the time to make sure you&#8217;re not cheating us.  And if that means it will cost more, OK.&#8221;, that gives the current situation for everything except Commercial Crew.</p>
<p>If you say &#8220;This is the kind of ball we want, and this is what we&#8217;ll pay for it.  And perhaps we&#8217;ll come up with some modest progress payments, but you shouldn&#8217;t count on major money until you actually have a ball to deliver&#8221; then the &#8220;wrong&#8221;<br />
people will eliminate themselves by failing to come up with anything to deliver, at no more than modest cost to you.</p>
<blockquote><p>We can keep SLS/Orion going at a lower level as a slush fund to keep the money from going away, which we can cut whenever we have something important we need . . . </p></blockquote>
<p>How many time have we managed that so far, in the four (five?) years since the Senate came up with the Senate Launch System?</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think once you pick the right people you give them the ball and let them run with it. I don&#039;t think we should throw money at Commercial Crew, but we should fully fund the Administration&#039;s request. We can keep SLS/Orion going at a lower level as a slush fund to keep the money from going away, which we can cut whenever we have something important we need, like a Europa orbiter, a solar-electric engine, or basic R&amp;D on new composite structures for aircraft and wind turbines, safer materials for aircraft fuel tanks, fuel cell propulsion for aircraft, zero-loss cryogenic storage, improved earth observation sensors for the ISS, need I go on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think once you pick the right people you give them the ball and let them run with it. I don&#8217;t think we should throw money at Commercial Crew, but we should fully fund the Administration&#8217;s request. We can keep SLS/Orion going at a lower level as a slush fund to keep the money from going away, which we can cut whenever we have something important we need, like a Europa orbiter, a solar-electric engine, or basic R&amp;D on new composite structures for aircraft and wind turbines, safer materials for aircraft fuel tanks, fuel cell propulsion for aircraft, zero-loss cryogenic storage, improved earth observation sensors for the ISS, need I go on?</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Call Me Ishmael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The sensible thing to do would be to cancel SLS and massively boost funding for crew, like yesterday.&quot;

Not if you actually want to end up with reduced launch prices.  You don&#039;t make something cheaper by throwing money at it.  And throwing government money at it is even worse, because of the strings that inevitably accompany it.  &quot;Massive&quot; funding for &quot;commercial&quot; crew will cause it to cease being commercial; SpaceX and OSC will become just two more government design bureaus, like Boeing and Lockmart before them.

In my opinion, continually shaving money off the administration&#039;s proposed budget for commercial crew will prove highly beneficial to privately-funded spaceflight in the long run (although that certainly isn&#039;t the intention of any of the current congressional barbers).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The sensible thing to do would be to cancel SLS and massively boost funding for crew, like yesterday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not if you actually want to end up with reduced launch prices.  You don&#8217;t make something cheaper by throwing money at it.  And throwing government money at it is even worse, because of the strings that inevitably accompany it.  &#8220;Massive&#8221; funding for &#8220;commercial&#8221; crew will cause it to cease being commercial; SpaceX and OSC will become just two more government design bureaus, like Boeing and Lockmart before them.</p>
<p>In my opinion, continually shaving money off the administration&#8217;s proposed budget for commercial crew will prove highly beneficial to privately-funded spaceflight in the long run (although that certainly isn&#8217;t the intention of any of the current congressional barbers).</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2014 20:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s both off topic and nonsense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s both off topic and nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing Brooks and Shelby care about is pork, end of story. The sensible thing to do would be to cancel SLS and massively boost funding for crew, like yesterday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing Brooks and Shelby care about is pork, end of story. The sensible thing to do would be to cancel SLS and massively boost funding for crew, like yesterday.</p>
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