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	<title>Comments on: Bolden and Holdren reaffirm support for asteroid mission as the next step to Mars</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Castro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Frank Glover,......Delaying the manned Lunar Return will actually PREVENT mankind reaching the Red Planet, because all of the key technological breakthroughs that&#039;ll ensure the success of such an interplanetary trip, will only come about with extensive Lunar activity! The Mars zealots can&#039;t seem to get a grip on the vast engineering abyss between mere LEO activity &amp; any possible Mars expedition! For instance: To venture to Mars you&#039;ll need stronger &amp; sturdier spacesuits, that could withstand the regolith sand, and last as viable, repeated-use equipment for a multi-month-long span of time, during the whole landing-stay phase. Such spacesuits will never get developed nor be put to any real test, if all NASA does are the supposed Asteroid Retrieval &amp; the Inspiration Mars Fly-By. An extensive Moon-landing program of expeditions will surely be required, prior to ANY attempt at kicking up any red Martian dust!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frank Glover,&#8230;&#8230;Delaying the manned Lunar Return will actually PREVENT mankind reaching the Red Planet, because all of the key technological breakthroughs that&#8217;ll ensure the success of such an interplanetary trip, will only come about with extensive Lunar activity! The Mars zealots can&#8217;t seem to get a grip on the vast engineering abyss between mere LEO activity &amp; any possible Mars expedition! For instance: To venture to Mars you&#8217;ll need stronger &amp; sturdier spacesuits, that could withstand the regolith sand, and last as viable, repeated-use equipment for a multi-month-long span of time, during the whole landing-stay phase. Such spacesuits will never get developed nor be put to any real test, if all NASA does are the supposed Asteroid Retrieval &amp; the Inspiration Mars Fly-By. An extensive Moon-landing program of expeditions will surely be required, prior to ANY attempt at kicking up any red Martian dust!!</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 00:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch! I had no idea Grayson was such a jerk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch! I had no idea Grayson was such a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: quest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[quest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[numbers guy said:

Since back in the 90â€²s, many in NASA leadership saw this coming. Thatâ€™s why affordability, increasing flight rate for less yearly cost, reducing development costs, and overall doing significantly more for the same (or less) budget were emphasized by so many back then. Unfortunately, in the chaos that has followed after Columbia, these people did not get into leadership positions. The leadership has instead been filled with people who have an uncanny ability to avoid making waves.

So we are left with leadership that awaits some glory days, whines about budgets, has no real plan, and cares nothing if numbers never add up, but which have demonstrated tenacious survival skills.

-Truer words!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>numbers guy said:</p>
<p>Since back in the 90â€²s, many in NASA leadership saw this coming. Thatâ€™s why affordability, increasing flight rate for less yearly cost, reducing development costs, and overall doing significantly more for the same (or less) budget were emphasized by so many back then. Unfortunately, in the chaos that has followed after Columbia, these people did not get into leadership positions. The leadership has instead been filled with people who have an uncanny ability to avoid making waves.</p>
<p>So we are left with leadership that awaits some glory days, whines about budgets, has no real plan, and cares nothing if numbers never add up, but which have demonstrated tenacious survival skills.</p>
<p>-Truer words!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Swallow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ARM is definitely about asteroid defence.

We cannot stop an asteroid so it has to be pushed out of the way.

A solid object can be knocked off course using a bat.  Unfortunately a cloud of rouble cannot, the bat simply passes through the rouble.

It may be possible to use explosives to change the course of the asteroid but NASA is not in the weapon making business.  Should an asteroid need nuking that will be a mission for the Department of Defence, the warriors may need NASA&#039;s help to get there.

That leaves catching the asteroid and putting it somewhere safe.  ARM involves catching a small asteroid and putting it safely in orbit around the Moon.  Later missions will have to divert larger asteroids.

Sending people to collect a sample of the asteroid is really a different mission but they are so interrelated that planning them at the same time makes sense.

Detecting dangerous asteroids is a related mission.  Most of the United Nations will be involved.  Keep ARM separate from asteroid detection otherwise several African politicians will turn up wanting bribes from NASA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARM is definitely about asteroid defence.</p>
<p>We cannot stop an asteroid so it has to be pushed out of the way.</p>
<p>A solid object can be knocked off course using a bat.  Unfortunately a cloud of rouble cannot, the bat simply passes through the rouble.</p>
<p>It may be possible to use explosives to change the course of the asteroid but NASA is not in the weapon making business.  Should an asteroid need nuking that will be a mission for the Department of Defence, the warriors may need NASA&#8217;s help to get there.</p>
<p>That leaves catching the asteroid and putting it somewhere safe.  ARM involves catching a small asteroid and putting it safely in orbit around the Moon.  Later missions will have to divert larger asteroids.</p>
<p>Sending people to collect a sample of the asteroid is really a different mission but they are so interrelated that planning them at the same time makes sense.</p>
<p>Detecting dangerous asteroids is a related mission.  Most of the United Nations will be involved.  Keep ARM separate from asteroid detection otherwise several African politicians will turn up wanting bribes from NASA.</p>
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		<title>By: quest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[quest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the future it might have something to do with technology, especially if they are successful in developing a reusable booster, but so far the cost savings appear to be in process. Space-X and OSC are not the first. Spacehab and NASA Mir missions were similarly inexpensive, worked to an abbreviated schedule, required a smaller workforce, and got a lot into orbit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the future it might have something to do with technology, especially if they are successful in developing a reusable booster, but so far the cost savings appear to be in process. Space-X and OSC are not the first. Spacehab and NASA Mir missions were similarly inexpensive, worked to an abbreviated schedule, required a smaller workforce, and got a lot into orbit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nobles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Constellation was cancelled because it was unworkable in this reality.  Nothing you can say will change that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constellation was cancelled because it was unworkable in this reality.  Nothing you can say will change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/04/18/bolden-and-holdren-reaffirm-support-for-asteroid-mission-as-the-next-step-to-mars/#comment-480035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sure didn&#039;t have wide political support when it had crashed both the budget and schedule to the point of insanity. It didn&#039;t seem to have much support in congress when even the republicans from the space states REFUSED to vote for funding that boondoggle anylonger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure didn&#8217;t have wide political support when it had crashed both the budget and schedule to the point of insanity. It didn&#8217;t seem to have much support in congress when even the republicans from the space states REFUSED to vote for funding that boondoggle anylonger.</p>
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		<title>By: Santoron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Santoron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 03:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know you know better than that.  I know because I&#039;ve seen others tells you the truth repeatedly before. To argue your position is to stick your head in the sand and ignore the facts around you. 

The ARM adds almost nothing to detection, and nothing whatsoever to long term detection systems. It provides meager funding to provide it with data on an object to snag, and nothing again afterward.  I hope for all of our sakes those involved in actual planetary defense don&#039;t consider that the boon you do.

Interception systems?  Come on now, we already know how to intercept celestial objects, that&#039;s part of the reason ARM has been proposed, so nothing there.  And the techniques and technology used to tow a tiny object to lunar orbit is nothing like the techniques or technologies we would need to deflect an asteroid large enough to pose a legitimate threat.  Did you really think that the ARM mission profile would be used to scale up for a city, regional, or planetary threat?  Of course not.   We&#039;d use the tools on hand in a rush, or develop far more effective strategies if we had the time than are useful with a car sized rock.  And we won&#039;t be able to do either if those few advocates we have fighting for better object detection and mitigation accept this stunt as a wise use of resources in the name of planetary defense. 

You thirst for more attention - any attention - to be directed towards celestial threats is causing you to advocate for a mission that wastes funds for no purpose at all, and all because it says &quot;asteroid&quot; in the title.  If we were grabbing, say, some large old satellite left out beyond the moon, something tells me you&#039;d immediately switch positions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you know better than that.  I know because I&#8217;ve seen others tells you the truth repeatedly before. To argue your position is to stick your head in the sand and ignore the facts around you. </p>
<p>The ARM adds almost nothing to detection, and nothing whatsoever to long term detection systems. It provides meager funding to provide it with data on an object to snag, and nothing again afterward.  I hope for all of our sakes those involved in actual planetary defense don&#8217;t consider that the boon you do.</p>
<p>Interception systems?  Come on now, we already know how to intercept celestial objects, that&#8217;s part of the reason ARM has been proposed, so nothing there.  And the techniques and technology used to tow a tiny object to lunar orbit is nothing like the techniques or technologies we would need to deflect an asteroid large enough to pose a legitimate threat.  Did you really think that the ARM mission profile would be used to scale up for a city, regional, or planetary threat?  Of course not.   We&#8217;d use the tools on hand in a rush, or develop far more effective strategies if we had the time than are useful with a car sized rock.  And we won&#8217;t be able to do either if those few advocates we have fighting for better object detection and mitigation accept this stunt as a wise use of resources in the name of planetary defense. </p>
<p>You thirst for more attention &#8211; any attention &#8211; to be directed towards celestial threats is causing you to advocate for a mission that wastes funds for no purpose at all, and all because it says &#8220;asteroid&#8221; in the title.  If we were grabbing, say, some large old satellite left out beyond the moon, something tells me you&#8217;d immediately switch positions.</p>
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		<title>By: E.P. Grondine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.P. Grondine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 02:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi quest - 

When launch costs drop, you can be sure that technologies developed in those missions will be used in future missions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi quest &#8211; </p>
<p>When launch costs drop, you can be sure that technologies developed in those missions will be used in future missions.</p>
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		<title>By: E.P. Grondine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.P. Grondine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 02:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of you doing fact checking, I need to add that after several hours I remember that von Braun assigned Heinz Hermann Kolle to the problem in 1964.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you doing fact checking, I need to add that after several hours I remember that von Braun assigned Heinz Hermann Kolle to the problem in 1964.</p>
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