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	<title>Comments on: WSJ editorial criticizes California tax break bill that benefits SpaceX</title>
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		<title>By: cynthia curran</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cynthia curran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing moving to Alabama for cheaper labor costs since Alabama is a cheaper placed to lived. The problem is Alabama is more full of Tea party types that want to eliminate the import-export bank and Boeing loses out to Airbus. So, they should have stayed in Huntington Beach because states like Alabama that have Tea Party folks will caused Boeing to lose to Airbus. Cheaper labor is not everything Sessions is a big Airbus supporter and wants to get rid of the import-export bank.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing moving to Alabama for cheaper labor costs since Alabama is a cheaper placed to lived. The problem is Alabama is more full of Tea party types that want to eliminate the import-export bank and Boeing loses out to Airbus. So, they should have stayed in Huntington Beach because states like Alabama that have Tea Party folks will caused Boeing to lose to Airbus. Cheaper labor is not everything Sessions is a big Airbus supporter and wants to get rid of the import-export bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that special interests, through campaign contribuitions, have bastardized the economic system. Take the money out of politics is the answer but the supreme court with it&#039;s most recent decision is turning american into an oligarcy. Politicans are openingly saying now they don&#039;t listen to the voters they only listen to who gives them campaign money. That is no longer democratic capitalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that special interests, through campaign contribuitions, have bastardized the economic system. Take the money out of politics is the answer but the supreme court with it&#8217;s most recent decision is turning american into an oligarcy. Politicans are openingly saying now they don&#8217;t listen to the voters they only listen to who gives them campaign money. That is no longer democratic capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhyolite</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhyolite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 18:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that tax incentives can direct capital flows and I can see cases where doing so to address a strategic need or market failure can be useful.  However, I think those kinds of interventions should be rare and limited in scope and duration.

The problem is when tax breaks become endemic.  The market doing fine at supplying commercial jetliners and Boeing is very profitable, so why is the Sate of Washington and the Federal Government subsidizing them through the tax code?  It comes down to the lobbying clout of Boeing rather than the interests of the tax payer.  The same applies to the oil and gas industry and a hundred other tax breaks.

SpaceX is a great company and, given their launch successes and backlog, on the verge of becoming a commercial success.  This doesn&#039;t seem like the time and place to be creating yet another industry specific tax break.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that tax incentives can direct capital flows and I can see cases where doing so to address a strategic need or market failure can be useful.  However, I think those kinds of interventions should be rare and limited in scope and duration.</p>
<p>The problem is when tax breaks become endemic.  The market doing fine at supplying commercial jetliners and Boeing is very profitable, so why is the Sate of Washington and the Federal Government subsidizing them through the tax code?  It comes down to the lobbying clout of Boeing rather than the interests of the tax payer.  The same applies to the oil and gas industry and a hundred other tax breaks.</p>
<p>SpaceX is a great company and, given their launch successes and backlog, on the verge of becoming a commercial success.  This doesn&#8217;t seem like the time and place to be creating yet another industry specific tax break.</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Call Me Ishmael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;â€¦ the close proximity of â€¦ MIT â€¦&quot;  MIT is closer to California than to Texas?  Who knew?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€¦ the close proximity of â€¦ MIT â€¦&#8221;  MIT is closer to California than to Texas?  Who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: sftommy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sftommy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The WALL STREET JOURNAL complains about an advantageous state tax benefit one corporation wrangled out of a local government?  

Stinks, stinks, stinks, of Spacex&#039; competition guiding the WSJ&#039;s hand.  Overpricing on a monopoly leaves a lot of tax dollars leftover to hire writers and buy papers (with huge ad purchases) to defend that monopoly.

Wait till the DoD starts seriously considering SpaceX and then watch the &quot;oh so unfair&quot; editorials; writers need work too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WALL STREET JOURNAL complains about an advantageous state tax benefit one corporation wrangled out of a local government?  </p>
<p>Stinks, stinks, stinks, of Spacex&#8217; competition guiding the WSJ&#8217;s hand.  Overpricing on a monopoly leaves a lot of tax dollars leftover to hire writers and buy papers (with huge ad purchases) to defend that monopoly.</p>
<p>Wait till the DoD starts seriously considering SpaceX and then watch the &#8220;oh so unfair&#8221; editorials; writers need work too!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a fan of tax breaks but the WSJ which has been takenover by nuts is for every tax break possible for established industries...SpaceX is exactly what should be happening in the US...RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a fan of tax breaks but the WSJ which has been takenover by nuts is for every tax break possible for established industries&#8230;SpaceX is exactly what should be happening in the US&#8230;RGO</p>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Sinister&quot; - as opposed to the other players who can&#039;t wait to outsource everything to other countries and turn their operations into giant hedge funds?

If you want engineers who are actually designing and building new rocket engines in the US (new as in really new) - who is doing that exactly?

Or is outsourcing to Russia the non-sinister option?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sinister&#8221; &#8211; as opposed to the other players who can&#8217;t wait to outsource everything to other countries and turn their operations into giant hedge funds?</p>
<p>If you want engineers who are actually designing and building new rocket engines in the US (new as in really new) &#8211; who is doing that exactly?</p>
<p>Or is outsourcing to Russia the non-sinister option?</p>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason that SpaceX is in California is the aerospace industry there, combined with the close proximity of CalTech and MIT and Silicon Valley.

SpaceX hires a combination of aerospace old timers - the frustrated ones like Tome Mueller who was so annoyed that he could get to actually build rocket engines at TRW that he did it at home - and the sharpest grads they can find.

That pool simply isn&#039;t available in Texas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that SpaceX is in California is the aerospace industry there, combined with the close proximity of CalTech and MIT and Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>SpaceX hires a combination of aerospace old timers &#8211; the frustrated ones like Tome Mueller who was so annoyed that he could get to actually build rocket engines at TRW that he did it at home &#8211; and the sharpest grads they can find.</p>
<p>That pool simply isn&#8217;t available in Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Once we stop listening to rich guys like Elon and Trump and corporations that want to ship our jobs over to fascist states like China&quot;

A strange comment. Elon is famously the guy who realizes that productivity, not labor costs are important. That is why he puts a very, very high percentage of his manufacturing on-shore in the US - using smaller numbers of workers, paid well, in conjunction with the latest automation and manufacturing technology.

Note that the Chinese space program guys specifically say that they can&#039;t match his prices.

In fact, as time goes on, he is bringing more and more on shore - hence the $5 billion battery factory for Tesla.

Interestingly, a great deal of the anger over the loan to Tesla was that it stopped a sweet deal for the Wall Street crowd. Their plan was to lend Arab oil money to Tesla (the only available liquidity at the bottom of the crash) to Tesla at very high rates of interest, to apparently help them. Using the crippling debt burden, they would leverage control of the company and &quot;correct the mistakes in it&#039;s operations&quot;. That is, shut down the US manufacturing, and sell the technology to existing car manufacturers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Once we stop listening to rich guys like Elon and Trump and corporations that want to ship our jobs over to fascist states like China&#8221;</p>
<p>A strange comment. Elon is famously the guy who realizes that productivity, not labor costs are important. That is why he puts a very, very high percentage of his manufacturing on-shore in the US &#8211; using smaller numbers of workers, paid well, in conjunction with the latest automation and manufacturing technology.</p>
<p>Note that the Chinese space program guys specifically say that they can&#8217;t match his prices.</p>
<p>In fact, as time goes on, he is bringing more and more on shore &#8211; hence the $5 billion battery factory for Tesla.</p>
<p>Interestingly, a great deal of the anger over the loan to Tesla was that it stopped a sweet deal for the Wall Street crowd. Their plan was to lend Arab oil money to Tesla (the only available liquidity at the bottom of the crash) to Tesla at very high rates of interest, to apparently help them. Using the crippling debt burden, they would leverage control of the company and &#8220;correct the mistakes in it&#8217;s operations&#8221;. That is, shut down the US manufacturing, and sell the technology to existing car manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 06:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are smart little monkeys with the ability to reason. Directing capital flows through taxation to maximize economic outcomes and employment is relatively easy to do. We know that the multiplier effect can create a lot of economic activity for small amounts of breaks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are smart little monkeys with the ability to reason. Directing capital flows through taxation to maximize economic outcomes and employment is relatively easy to do. We know that the multiplier effect can create a lot of economic activity for small amounts of breaks.</p>
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