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	<title>Comments on: House and Senate to tackle NASA policy and budget issues this week</title>
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		<title>By: DougSpace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DougSpace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My perspective is that it basically boils down to two options. Â A series of large science payloads is not an option because of the cost and schedule uncertainty. Â So the options are:
Â  1) An EML2 station which launches unlaunched ISS modules which would be modified for EML2 deep space use. Â The real purpose of the EML2 is to give the SLS somewhere to go. Â But the ostensible purpose would be to study the effects of GCRs on humans and to do great science such as the telerobotic control of a South Pole - Aitken Basin mission. Â This approach would give reason for regular SLS launches namely for the switching out of crew at the EML2 station.
Â  2) Launching reusable lunar landers Â filled with equipment and supplies for the establishment of a permanent lunar base. Â The real purpose would be to give the SLS reasons for regular launch and to remove the political arguments against the Administration that it is letting China have the Moon and not leading the international community in space. Â The ostensible reasons would be to gain surface experience in preparation for Mars.

IMO, the EML2 Option is much more likely to be adopted than the Lunar Option for several reasons. Â Politically, Obama took the Moon off the table. Â The Lunar Option would appear as though it had made a fundamental mistake in space policy since it is apparently reversing itself. Â Also, it had previously stated that we couldn&#039;t do the Moon because an (Altair) lunar lander would cost too much to build. Â Building a lander would be a politically damaging admission that that wasn&#039;t true after all.

Unfortunately, the EML2 Option may be politically and hence budgetarily &quot;sustainable&quot; but it is not &quot;truly sustainable&quot; in that it does nothing to reduce the cost for BLEO missions and hence would constrain NASA&#039;s budget for decades not allowing important technology developments and also not allowing a virtuous cycle to develop by accessing lunar polar ice for cheap propellant within cis-lunar (and hence BLEO) space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My perspective is that it basically boils down to two options. Â A series of large science payloads is not an option because of the cost and schedule uncertainty. Â So the options are:<br />
Â  1) An EML2 station which launches unlaunched ISS modules which would be modified for EML2 deep space use. Â The real purpose of the EML2 is to give the SLS somewhere to go. Â But the ostensible purpose would be to study the effects of GCRs on humans and to do great science such as the telerobotic control of a South Pole &#8211; Aitken Basin mission. Â This approach would give reason for regular SLS launches namely for the switching out of crew at the EML2 station.<br />
Â  2) Launching reusable lunar landers Â filled with equipment and supplies for the establishment of a permanent lunar base. Â The real purpose would be to give the SLS reasons for regular launch and to remove the political arguments against the Administration that it is letting China have the Moon and not leading the international community in space. Â The ostensible reasons would be to gain surface experience in preparation for Mars.</p>
<p>IMO, the EML2 Option is much more likely to be adopted than the Lunar Option for several reasons. Â Politically, Obama took the Moon off the table. Â The Lunar Option would appear as though it had made a fundamental mistake in space policy since it is apparently reversing itself. Â Also, it had previously stated that we couldn&#8217;t do the Moon because an (Altair) lunar lander would cost too much to build. Â Building a lander would be a politically damaging admission that that wasn&#8217;t true after all.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the EML2 Option may be politically and hence budgetarily &#8220;sustainable&#8221; but it is not &#8220;truly sustainable&#8221; in that it does nothing to reduce the cost for BLEO missions and hence would constrain NASA&#8217;s budget for decades not allowing important technology developments and also not allowing a virtuous cycle to develop by accessing lunar polar ice for cheap propellant within cis-lunar (and hence BLEO) space.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Swallow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone needs to work out how to convert new developments into pork.

Hard before the bidding but easy in the second year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs to work out how to convert new developments into pork.</p>
<p>Hard before the bidding but easy in the second year.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What matters to Congress is short term impact of the decisions they make. In the short term, their interests are â€˜pork in my districtâ€™.&quot;

I suspect it&#039;s a bit more complicated than that. Congress would LOVE to see long term impact, and have their names be associated with what could be spun as the nation doing great things. But Congress just doesn&#039;t see the route to that. Certainly not in human space flight, for which the value generated is largely symbolic. That being the case, oink, oink, oink is the rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What matters to Congress is short term impact of the decisions they make. In the short term, their interests are â€˜pork in my districtâ€™.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s a bit more complicated than that. Congress would LOVE to see long term impact, and have their names be associated with what could be spun as the nation doing great things. But Congress just doesn&#8217;t see the route to that. Certainly not in human space flight, for which the value generated is largely symbolic. That being the case, oink, oink, oink is the rule.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What matters to Congress is short term impact of the decisions they make. In the short term, their interests are &#039;pork in my district&#039;.  That means $ for SLS/Orion. It means that they don&#039;t give a bugger about anything long term - least of which is any road map to Mars, or anything requiring them to commit to something long term.  It means commercial crew is a threat to their pork machinations. 

What matters to the President is he gets to use NASA to his advantage, for the next 2.5 Years remaining in his administration.  This translates to &#039;avoid looking Bad by what NASA does&#039; as well. So, you won&#039;t see any long term commitments that require monies now - it ain&#039;t there; he&#039;ll want NASA to reflect his thinking about technologies, commercial investments, inclusiveness, etc.

What matters to NASA; does not matter here wrt Congress and Administration.  

NASA likes doing their missions, but in the background of that excitement, resignation and cynicism.   NASA worker bees - not the celebrity leaders we see and hear in the press, whose job is to &#039;fake it&#039; - the bees are fully aware that their SLS/Orion gravy train is busted, broken, has no real purpose, and will probably be cancelled - like all the other great ides for &#039;next&#039; human space flight vehicle/endeavor .

All of this is too bad, as there are plenty of good ideas for NASA HSF and Science, that are dying on the vine of this leaderless Titanic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What matters to Congress is short term impact of the decisions they make. In the short term, their interests are &#8216;pork in my district&#8217;.  That means $ for SLS/Orion. It means that they don&#8217;t give a bugger about anything long term &#8211; least of which is any road map to Mars, or anything requiring them to commit to something long term.  It means commercial crew is a threat to their pork machinations. </p>
<p>What matters to the President is he gets to use NASA to his advantage, for the next 2.5 Years remaining in his administration.  This translates to &#8216;avoid looking Bad by what NASA does&#8217; as well. So, you won&#8217;t see any long term commitments that require monies now &#8211; it ain&#8217;t there; he&#8217;ll want NASA to reflect his thinking about technologies, commercial investments, inclusiveness, etc.</p>
<p>What matters to NASA; does not matter here wrt Congress and Administration.  </p>
<p>NASA likes doing their missions, but in the background of that excitement, resignation and cynicism.   NASA worker bees &#8211; not the celebrity leaders we see and hear in the press, whose job is to &#8216;fake it&#8217; &#8211; the bees are fully aware that their SLS/Orion gravy train is busted, broken, has no real purpose, and will probably be cancelled &#8211; like all the other great ides for &#8216;next&#8217; human space flight vehicle/endeavor .</p>
<p>All of this is too bad, as there are plenty of good ideas for NASA HSF and Science, that are dying on the vine of this leaderless Titanic.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re concerned with commercial crew and SpaceX, political machinations about NASA are actually pretty relevant. Relevant to the tune of nearly a billion dollars a year. But yes, those machinations are largely based in bullshit. It&#039;s sad because they really don&#039;t have to be. They could be visionary and even inspiring. Oh yeah, but vision and inspiration is what NASA is supposed to do -- not Congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re concerned with commercial crew and SpaceX, political machinations about NASA are actually pretty relevant. Relevant to the tune of nearly a billion dollars a year. But yes, those machinations are largely based in bullshit. It&#8217;s sad because they really don&#8217;t have to be. They could be visionary and even inspiring. Oh yeah, but vision and inspiration is what NASA is supposed to do &#8212; not Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Willett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Willett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; What matters is commercial crew and spacex.&lt;/i&gt;
Precisely,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> What matters is commercial crew and spacex.</i><br />
Precisely,</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 07:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I pretty much ignore the political machinations when it comes to hsf these days. It&#039;s a bunch of bullshit anyway. What matters is commercial crew and spacex.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much ignore the political machinations when it comes to hsf these days. It&#8217;s a bunch of bullshit anyway. What matters is commercial crew and spacex.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 02:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;That is where NASA applies for money for landers, transfer vehicles and habitats.&quot;

Actually, that is where NASA admits that in this fiscal climate, it isn&#039;t going to send humans to Mars for a LONG time. Doesn&#039;t take a detailed roadmap to tell anyone a human trip to Mars is going to need landers, transfer vehicles and habitats. NASA could have applied for money so directed long ago. The details that Congress is looking for are completion cost and schedule, and those are going to look pretty frightful to them with what we know now. 

In fact, we have plenty of &quot;detailed roadmaps&quot;. Mars DRA 5.0 is about as detailed a vision as Congress would ever be able to digest. Of course, that DRA didn&#039;t make cost and schedule explicit, because cost and schedule depend on a lot of stuff that a real flexible path and a properly funded tech investment strategy would have provided. It is, admittedly, not quite a &quot;formal plan&quot;. But no, we&#039;re gonna have SLS, so hurry up and get us some landers, transfer vehicles, and habs that we can put on it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That is where NASA applies for money for landers, transfer vehicles and habitats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, that is where NASA admits that in this fiscal climate, it isn&#8217;t going to send humans to Mars for a LONG time. Doesn&#8217;t take a detailed roadmap to tell anyone a human trip to Mars is going to need landers, transfer vehicles and habitats. NASA could have applied for money so directed long ago. The details that Congress is looking for are completion cost and schedule, and those are going to look pretty frightful to them with what we know now. </p>
<p>In fact, we have plenty of &#8220;detailed roadmaps&#8221;. Mars DRA 5.0 is about as detailed a vision as Congress would ever be able to digest. Of course, that DRA didn&#8217;t make cost and schedule explicit, because cost and schedule depend on a lot of stuff that a real flexible path and a properly funded tech investment strategy would have provided. It is, admittedly, not quite a &#8220;formal plan&#8221;. But no, we&#8217;re gonna have SLS, so hurry up and get us some landers, transfer vehicles, and habs that we can put on it!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Swallow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 00:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; ... also including a number of policy provisions, including a requirement for NASA to provide a detailed exploration roadmap for sending humans to Mars.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is where NASA applies for money for landers, transfer vehicles and habitats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> &#8230; also including a number of policy provisions, including a requirement for NASA to provide a detailed exploration roadmap for sending humans to Mars.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is where NASA applies for money for landers, transfer vehicles and habitats.</p>
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		<title>By: Egad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Egad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2014 21:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;- Sometime this year (maybe even next month) NASA is supposed to come out with costing data for the SLS, and that I think is part of the Key Decision Point that is due too.&lt;/i&gt;

KDP-C, containing schedule and costing data for SLS up to EM-1, is due by COB this coming Wednesday, three days from now. We&#039;ll see if that happens in any non-obfuscatory way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>- Sometime this year (maybe even next month) NASA is supposed to come out with costing data for the SLS, and that I think is part of the Key Decision Point that is due too.</i></p>
<p>KDP-C, containing schedule and costing data for SLS up to EM-1, is due by COB this coming Wednesday, three days from now. We&#8217;ll see if that happens in any non-obfuscatory way.</p>
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