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		<title>By: pathfinder_01</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-483036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pathfinder_01]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 18:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the case of transportation to the station it was more than a few bucks. The shuttle lacks lifeboat capability.  It can transport crew to the station, but it cannot stay in space for months at an time. It could only stay about 2 weeks. Therefore a separate lifeboat craft was needed. The ISS was over budget and they decided to cancel it along with the US habitation model and centrifuge. $70 million to Russia was a lot cheaper than the $1.3 -1.4 billion they estimated before for the lifeboat. Crews would use Soyuz for lifeboat and for transportation. This also limits the ISS crew to 6 as the Soyuz can only carry three (but the ISS was built to support seven).

The orbital space plane was the next idea. It would transport a crew of 4 to the station and back. The trouble was it used EELV and Congress gave little funding. The EELV donâ€™t use the shuttleâ€™s workforce.  Then the shuttle program literally fell to pieces on the ground with Columbia. Soyuz was the only way to the station for two years.

When the shuttle came back online it was realized that the thing needed to be retired. It still couldnâ€™t function as lifeboat but even transporting crew could be problematic because the shuttle transported cargo. If the cargo was delayed, so too could be the crew transfer. They decided to let the shuttle focus on building the station and put the crew on Soyuz.

Orion on top of Ares-1 was next but again over budget and late. It likely would not have been ready till 2017 at the soonest and even then there would be no station to go to as the plan was to cancel the ISS in 2015 to focus on the moon program. However with no station to go to Orion was useless because the Ares V wouldn&#039;t be ready till the 2020ies. The ISS was extended to 2024,constellation was canceled. Orion was offered as a lifeboat as a bone to Congress, but they didn&#039;t go for it. It is just as well considering that the current version of Orion is too heavy to its parachutes (if loaded with a crew and supplies) and has proven too heavy for the cables they wanted to use to tie it down in the recovery ship.

Currently the Commercial Crew Craft are going after the role of transport and lifeboat despite a hostile Congress that does not want to fund them properly (because they donâ€™t supply enough money to the right districts). And there isn&#039;t enough money in the budget to do the job in an reasonable amount of time if you did use the Shuttleâ€™s former workforce. They still haven&#039;t worked on Orion&#039;s life support system!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of transportation to the station it was more than a few bucks. The shuttle lacks lifeboat capability.  It can transport crew to the station, but it cannot stay in space for months at an time. It could only stay about 2 weeks. Therefore a separate lifeboat craft was needed. The ISS was over budget and they decided to cancel it along with the US habitation model and centrifuge. $70 million to Russia was a lot cheaper than the $1.3 -1.4 billion they estimated before for the lifeboat. Crews would use Soyuz for lifeboat and for transportation. This also limits the ISS crew to 6 as the Soyuz can only carry three (but the ISS was built to support seven).</p>
<p>The orbital space plane was the next idea. It would transport a crew of 4 to the station and back. The trouble was it used EELV and Congress gave little funding. The EELV donâ€™t use the shuttleâ€™s workforce.  Then the shuttle program literally fell to pieces on the ground with Columbia. Soyuz was the only way to the station for two years.</p>
<p>When the shuttle came back online it was realized that the thing needed to be retired. It still couldnâ€™t function as lifeboat but even transporting crew could be problematic because the shuttle transported cargo. If the cargo was delayed, so too could be the crew transfer. They decided to let the shuttle focus on building the station and put the crew on Soyuz.</p>
<p>Orion on top of Ares-1 was next but again over budget and late. It likely would not have been ready till 2017 at the soonest and even then there would be no station to go to as the plan was to cancel the ISS in 2015 to focus on the moon program. However with no station to go to Orion was useless because the Ares V wouldn&#8217;t be ready till the 2020ies. The ISS was extended to 2024,constellation was canceled. Orion was offered as a lifeboat as a bone to Congress, but they didn&#8217;t go for it. It is just as well considering that the current version of Orion is too heavy to its parachutes (if loaded with a crew and supplies) and has proven too heavy for the cables they wanted to use to tie it down in the recovery ship.</p>
<p>Currently the Commercial Crew Craft are going after the role of transport and lifeboat despite a hostile Congress that does not want to fund them properly (because they donâ€™t supply enough money to the right districts). And there isn&#8217;t enough money in the budget to do the job in an reasonable amount of time if you did use the Shuttleâ€™s former workforce. They still haven&#8217;t worked on Orion&#8217;s life support system!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bagan</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-483007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Bagan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2014 14:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing that is really disgusting is that we ever let ourselves become dependant on Russian rocket engines, Russian transportation to the space station and the like.  We just exposed ourselves to blackmail for an alleged saving of a few bucks.  How could we have been so stupid?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that is really disgusting is that we ever let ourselves become dependant on Russian rocket engines, Russian transportation to the space station and the like.  We just exposed ourselves to blackmail for an alleged saving of a few bucks.  How could we have been so stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Foust</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-482912</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Foust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 22:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is correct. The RD-180 issue was not linked to SpaceX&#039;s key complaint that it is being deprived of opportunities to compete for EELV launches because of the block buy contract with ULA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is correct. The RD-180 issue was not linked to SpaceX&#8217;s key complaint that it is being deprived of opportunities to compete for EELV launches because of the block buy contract with ULA.</p>
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		<title>By: sftommy</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-482911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sftommy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How many times must NASA dollars go to Russia, instead of America?

..and still receive applause from Griffinikov and company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times must NASA dollars go to Russia, instead of America?</p>
<p>..and still receive applause from Griffinikov and company.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-482909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 22:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so treasury and state basically said we don&#039;t know if rogozin profits from this and we don&#039;t care. and we&#039;re not gonna look into it because we might find out that he does. the sanctions are a joke.
 
but ofc this was just the opening round: the real issue is the block buy, not violation of sanctions.

as to griffin and collins laughing it up: &quot;oink oink&quot;, the pigs are heading back to the trough...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so treasury and state basically said we don&#8217;t know if rogozin profits from this and we don&#8217;t care. and we&#8217;re not gonna look into it because we might find out that he does. the sanctions are a joke.</p>
<p>but ofc this was just the opening round: the real issue is the block buy, not violation of sanctions.</p>
<p>as to griffin and collins laughing it up: &#8220;oink oink&#8221;, the pigs are heading back to the trough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nobles</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-482903</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 21:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t really all that surprised. Actually I was more surprised when the Judge slapped the injunction on so quickly.  But I guess I really hadn&#039;t really thought about the consequences of the order being lifted even though I accepted the likelihood that it would be.

I blame amightywind. I realized I agreed with him about the use of the RD-180 on DoD launchers. Not so much because they were Russian but because the weren&#039;t American.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t really all that surprised. Actually I was more surprised when the Judge slapped the injunction on so quickly.  But I guess I really hadn&#8217;t really thought about the consequences of the order being lifted even though I accepted the likelihood that it would be.</p>
<p>I blame amightywind. I realized I agreed with him about the use of the RD-180 on DoD launchers. Not so much because they were Russian but because the weren&#8217;t American.</p>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-482902</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 21:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised you are surprised.

A couple of hundred million will be spent on studying stuff about engines. Or studying studies. Or studying the right pot plants for the admin building for the project to studying building an engine.

Too much invested in the status quo....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised you are surprised.</p>
<p>A couple of hundred million will be spent on studying stuff about engines. Or studying studies. Or studying the right pot plants for the admin building for the project to studying building an engine.</p>
<p>Too much invested in the status quo&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nobles</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-482900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 21:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! Not an unexpected result but this means the DOD main launcher will remain tethered to Russian engines for years to come.  This is an ugly picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Not an unexpected result but this means the DOD main launcher will remain tethered to Russian engines for years to come.  This is an ugly picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Malmesbury</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/05/08/court-lifts-rd-180-injunction/#comment-482895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malmesbury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 21:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding is that this does not affect the block buy issue - the underlying case proceeds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that this does not affect the block buy issue &#8211; the underlying case proceeds.</p>
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