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	<title>Comments on: NASA and Congress like the NRC report, for very different reasons</title>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I&#039;d have to say I&#039;m in &lt;i&gt;qualified&lt;/i&gt; agreement with you.  As disappointing as the NRC report was, overall, it still manages to look pretty good when placed alongside the vacuous crapola, parochial agendas, score settling and schoolyard bullying that, with the notable exception of the Augustine Report, has passed for NASA &quot;policy&quot; in much of the recent past.  With the signal exceptions of COTS and CCDev, NASA has been a black hole of administrative bloat and waste for at least three decades.  Even the formerly fairly competent science missions have become infected.  There is no cure short of radical restructuring and major amputations that will address these shortcomings.

The NRC committee hints obliquely - and sometimes even a bit more sharply - that NASA is rudderless in a storm with no competent officers on the bridge.  But, in the end, they were too unduly respectful of sacred cows and iron rice bowls, too many times steering away from places marked &quot;Here Be Dragons&quot; on the patchwork map they were given to navigate by.

The biggest such failing was to avoid any significant analysis of missions &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; based on SLS.  Given that SLS is the central and most egregious nexus of all of NASA&#039;s other problems, this evasion all by itself guts what should have been the central task of the NRC committee.  An examination of &quot;solutions&quot; can&#039;t possibly produce useful results when it is enjoined, from the start, with addressing the single most severe of said problems and are, instead, told to regard said problem as the mandatory solution.

It would have been nice to see at least one protest resignation from the committee over this issue, but these are all members of our current political and technocratic class.  They were all elsewhere when the guts were being handed out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;d have to say I&#8217;m in <i>qualified</i> agreement with you.  As disappointing as the NRC report was, overall, it still manages to look pretty good when placed alongside the vacuous crapola, parochial agendas, score settling and schoolyard bullying that, with the notable exception of the Augustine Report, has passed for NASA &#8220;policy&#8221; in much of the recent past.  With the signal exceptions of COTS and CCDev, NASA has been a black hole of administrative bloat and waste for at least three decades.  Even the formerly fairly competent science missions have become infected.  There is no cure short of radical restructuring and major amputations that will address these shortcomings.</p>
<p>The NRC committee hints obliquely &#8211; and sometimes even a bit more sharply &#8211; that NASA is rudderless in a storm with no competent officers on the bridge.  But, in the end, they were too unduly respectful of sacred cows and iron rice bowls, too many times steering away from places marked &#8220;Here Be Dragons&#8221; on the patchwork map they were given to navigate by.</p>
<p>The biggest such failing was to avoid any significant analysis of missions <i>not</i> based on SLS.  Given that SLS is the central and most egregious nexus of all of NASA&#8217;s other problems, this evasion all by itself guts what should have been the central task of the NRC committee.  An examination of &#8220;solutions&#8221; can&#8217;t possibly produce useful results when it is enjoined, from the start, with addressing the single most severe of said problems and are, instead, told to regard said problem as the mandatory solution.</p>
<p>It would have been nice to see at least one protest resignation from the committee over this issue, but these are all members of our current political and technocratic class.  They were all elsewhere when the guts were being handed out.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 03:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Contrary to many of the opinions expressed here, I think the nrc committee said that while all prior panels wanted to go mto Mars and that some day current efforts might be focused on Mars,  they very directly and carefully say that a human Mars landing may be difficult or impossible for a long time because of human health and technology requirements. The report certainly seems to recommend a series of progressivly more difficult missions aimed toward eventually getting people on Mars. In the interim there are a series of advancements each required or beneficial to the Mars landing. 

What I am amazed by is how, for station, NASA did its homework and recommended what it wanted and how to get the job done. Yet, for the last nine years, since Griffin, the NASA management seems to go along with anything and everything the incompetents suggest, including Griffin and Obama. 

This NRC appears to have quickly and effectively identified a short series of options. Maybe one of these people ought to take over as NASA Administrator and Associate Administrator of human spac exploration and Ops. The NRC in this case did the job that the NASA people owed us years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to many of the opinions expressed here, I think the nrc committee said that while all prior panels wanted to go mto Mars and that some day current efforts might be focused on Mars,  they very directly and carefully say that a human Mars landing may be difficult or impossible for a long time because of human health and technology requirements. The report certainly seems to recommend a series of progressivly more difficult missions aimed toward eventually getting people on Mars. In the interim there are a series of advancements each required or beneficial to the Mars landing. </p>
<p>What I am amazed by is how, for station, NASA did its homework and recommended what it wanted and how to get the job done. Yet, for the last nine years, since Griffin, the NASA management seems to go along with anything and everything the incompetents suggest, including Griffin and Obama. </p>
<p>This NRC appears to have quickly and effectively identified a short series of options. Maybe one of these people ought to take over as NASA Administrator and Associate Administrator of human spac exploration and Ops. The NRC in this case did the job that the NASA people owed us years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 13:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If entertainment was the issue I cannot imagine why they would pick human spaceflight...it had even turned Americans off by the time we were mid Gemini.  

We already had our entertainment this decade.  Iraq and Afland.  RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If entertainment was the issue I cannot imagine why they would pick human spaceflight&#8230;it had even turned Americans off by the time we were mid Gemini.  </p>
<p>We already had our entertainment this decade.  Iraq and Afland.  RGO</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forget.  How many centimeters are in a cubit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget.  How many centimeters are in a cubit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t deny the good things that have happened anent space policy on Obama&#039;s watch.  What I deny is that said effects were much caused by anything deliberate done by our Doofus in Chief.  Space has done relatively well under Obama because he never cared enough about it to screw with it.  It&#039;s not really on his radar.  He left it in the hands of Bolden and Garver and got on with what he &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; cared about, namely transforming America into a monkey copy of France.  Any area of the American economy or government he &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; care to touch - health care, energy, foreign policy - has been rendered a shambles.  Space was a comparatively insignificant beneficiary of benign neglect.  We lucked out.

The commercial space initiatives that came to fuition on Obama&#039;s watch were not his creatures, they had been set in motion in prior administrations going all the way back to Reagan&#039;s.  Like Nixon with the first Moon landing, or Bush 41 with the fall of the Berlin Wall, Obama just happened to be the guy in the Big Chair when the crop sprouted.  He didn&#039;t plow and he didn&#039;t plant.

Of the two people most responsible for direct management of space efforts to this point on Obama&#039;s watch, I&#039;m inclined to give Garver more credit than Bolden.  We won&#039;t know for sure until upcoming decisions about Commercial Crew are made.  If these are well-made decisions, then I&#039;ll humbly beg Charlie&#039;s pardon and accord him the credit.  But the best thing Obama ever did for space policy was to largely ignore it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t deny the good things that have happened anent space policy on Obama&#8217;s watch.  What I deny is that said effects were much caused by anything deliberate done by our Doofus in Chief.  Space has done relatively well under Obama because he never cared enough about it to screw with it.  It&#8217;s not really on his radar.  He left it in the hands of Bolden and Garver and got on with what he <i>really</i> cared about, namely transforming America into a monkey copy of France.  Any area of the American economy or government he <i>did</i> care to touch &#8211; health care, energy, foreign policy &#8211; has been rendered a shambles.  Space was a comparatively insignificant beneficiary of benign neglect.  We lucked out.</p>
<p>The commercial space initiatives that came to fuition on Obama&#8217;s watch were not his creatures, they had been set in motion in prior administrations going all the way back to Reagan&#8217;s.  Like Nixon with the first Moon landing, or Bush 41 with the fall of the Berlin Wall, Obama just happened to be the guy in the Big Chair when the crop sprouted.  He didn&#8217;t plow and he didn&#8217;t plant.</p>
<p>Of the two people most responsible for direct management of space efforts to this point on Obama&#8217;s watch, I&#8217;m inclined to give Garver more credit than Bolden.  We won&#8217;t know for sure until upcoming decisions about Commercial Crew are made.  If these are well-made decisions, then I&#8217;ll humbly beg Charlie&#8217;s pardon and accord him the credit.  But the best thing Obama ever did for space policy was to largely ignore it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nobles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 00:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keeping with the religious theme:  The story is that God destroyed the Earth with water. Perhaps He is going to destroy NASA HSF with SLS and Orion...

Good thing we have a bunch of Noahs working in commercial space.

(Okay, I apologize for that.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping with the religious theme:  The story is that God destroyed the Earth with water. Perhaps He is going to destroy NASA HSF with SLS and Orion&#8230;</p>
<p>Good thing we have a bunch of Noahs working in commercial space.</p>
<p>(Okay, I apologize for that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nobles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 22:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;&quot;You simply advocate privatizing government and that foolish political stance was outed long ago. Ainâ€™t gonna happen.&quot;&lt;/cite&gt;

What&#039;s being advocated is private enterprise. And it is going to happen. It is in fact happening right before our eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>&#8220;You simply advocate privatizing government and that foolish political stance was outed long ago. Ainâ€™t gonna happen.&#8221;</cite></p>
<p>What&#8217;s being advocated is private enterprise. And it is going to happen. It is in fact happening right before our eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nobles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 20:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;&quot; The current mini-Dark Age ends at noon on Jan. 20, 2017 when Washington, D.C.â€™s village idiot leaves office.&quot;&lt;/cite&gt;

I think that &quot;village idiot&quot; has done more for the American space program than any President since probably JFK.  Bronco was not a space cadet but he did listen to the space cadets he hired and he did help get commercial space up on its feet and running. 

Perhaps you should consider the state of your own being before attempting to attach such labels to others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>&#8221; The current mini-Dark Age ends at noon on Jan. 20, 2017 when Washington, D.C.â€™s village idiot leaves office.&#8221;</cite></p>
<p>I think that &#8220;village idiot&#8221; has done more for the American space program than any President since probably JFK.  Bronco was not a space cadet but he did listen to the space cadets he hired and he did help get commercial space up on its feet and running. </p>
<p>Perhaps you should consider the state of your own being before attempting to attach such labels to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 20:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;In fact it has done the job. NewSpace has not.&lt;/i&gt;

NASA has said it would do quite a number of things over the past 30-odd years.  With the exception of robotic probes hither and yon, it has mostly failed to deliver.  NewSpace, in contrast, has delivered everything it has had time to deliver.  It continues, pell-mell, to expand its capabilities and broaden the scope of what it can deliver.  In 24 months or less it will deliver live human beings to orbit and return them safely.  Perhaps the most relevant thing NewSpace has delivered is the growing realization that space &lt;i&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; have to be insanely expensive.  The fact that it has been until now is a consequence of the inherent wastefulness and bumbling of government, not an intrinsic characteristic of the pursuit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In fact it has done the job. NewSpace has not.</i></p>
<p>NASA has said it would do quite a number of things over the past 30-odd years.  With the exception of robotic probes hither and yon, it has mostly failed to deliver.  NewSpace, in contrast, has delivered everything it has had time to deliver.  It continues, pell-mell, to expand its capabilities and broaden the scope of what it can deliver.  In 24 months or less it will deliver live human beings to orbit and return them safely.  Perhaps the most relevant thing NewSpace has delivered is the growing realization that space <i>doesn&#8217;t</i> have to be insanely expensive.  The fact that it has been until now is a consequence of the inherent wastefulness and bumbling of government, not an intrinsic characteristic of the pursuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 20:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, you have your upside down glasses on.  NewSpace is the only entity that &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; actually trying.  NASA and legacy aerospace are mostly content to pursue result-free pork.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, you have your upside down glasses on.  NewSpace is the only entity that <i>is</i> actually trying.  NASA and legacy aerospace are mostly content to pursue result-free pork.</p>
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