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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/07/09/ula-joins-call-for-dismissal-of-spacex-suit/#comment-555263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2014 02:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Same arguments as AF Motion to Dimiss with the difference that ULS Motion goes into greater factual detail and includes a chronology as an exhibit to its Motion. This just puts more nails in the Space X Bid Protest. ULS is flexing its legal muscle now and demonstrates to Space X that it can afford top-flight law firms too.&quot;

According to Braden (not Brayden), ULA never had standing to being with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Same arguments as AF Motion to Dimiss with the difference that ULS Motion goes into greater factual detail and includes a chronology as an exhibit to its Motion. This just puts more nails in the Space X Bid Protest. ULS is flexing its legal muscle now and demonstrates to Space X that it can afford top-flight law firms too.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Braden (not Brayden), ULA never had standing to being with.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/07/09/ula-joins-call-for-dismissal-of-spacex-suit/#comment-511068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 01:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link to the L.A. Times story C.R.  I read another story about this somewhere else that was hopelessly vague about just what had been certified and what was left.  So the three required flights have now completed review and had USAF holy water sprinkled on them.  Good.  What&#039;s left, I&#039;m supposing, is satisfying USAF as to how SpaceX proposes to do any needed vertical payload integrations and when they expect to be ready to do so.  I&#039;m unaware of any other major to-do item that hasn&#039;t yet been covered.

In the meantime, that&#039;s one more supposed SpaceX shortcoming the Elon-haters out there are going to have to scratch off their lists.  I&#039;d recommend they take a little time out to resharpen their pencils.  Their list-scratching chores are likely to take a major jump upward over the coming year or so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the L.A. Times story C.R.  I read another story about this somewhere else that was hopelessly vague about just what had been certified and what was left.  So the three required flights have now completed review and had USAF holy water sprinkled on them.  Good.  What&#8217;s left, I&#8217;m supposing, is satisfying USAF as to how SpaceX proposes to do any needed vertical payload integrations and when they expect to be ready to do so.  I&#8217;m unaware of any other major to-do item that hasn&#8217;t yet been covered.</p>
<p>In the meantime, that&#8217;s one more supposed SpaceX shortcoming the Elon-haters out there are going to have to scratch off their lists.  I&#8217;d recommend they take a little time out to resharpen their pencils.  Their list-scratching chores are likely to take a major jump upward over the coming year or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/07/09/ula-joins-call-for-dismissal-of-spacex-suit/#comment-511034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Appreciate the info.

There was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://spacenews.com/article/military-space/41226pentagon-may-defer-launches-of-2-wideband-communications-satellites&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;story&lt;/a&gt; in Space News yesterday about USAF possibly deferring launch of two WGS birds because of budget cuts.  Looks like USAF needs affordable launch soonest.

If the block buy assumed 20 Atlas V&#039;s, then the whole deal depends, existentially, on additional RD-180 shipments arriving this year and perhaps even next.  ULA certainly doesn&#039;t have enough engines on-hand now to fulfill the block buy should future expected shipments indeed be embargoed by Russia.  This also makes it seem downright crazy to me that three Atlas V&#039;s are currently scheduled to launch one GPS block 2 and two civilian payloads in the next 70 or so days.  Assuming the future good faith of hostile Russians is a mug&#039;s game IMNSHO.

As to the meeting with Amross and Energomash, I&#039;m not surprised.  Russians will always repeat whatever the last authorized line was - right up until they do a Lucy-with-the-football number on you.  I&#039;m guessing that, for maximum impact, a formal announcement of no more RD-180&#039;s coming will probably be delayed until the last possible instant.  It&#039;s the way these people roll.

If I was USAF and NRO I&#039;d be hoping SpaceX gets both 1st-stage reusability and Falcon Heavy sorted out ASAP; they&#039;re going to need both quite soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate the info.</p>
<p>There was a <a href="http://spacenews.com/article/military-space/41226pentagon-may-defer-launches-of-2-wideband-communications-satellites" rel="nofollow">story</a> in Space News yesterday about USAF possibly deferring launch of two WGS birds because of budget cuts.  Looks like USAF needs affordable launch soonest.</p>
<p>If the block buy assumed 20 Atlas V&#8217;s, then the whole deal depends, existentially, on additional RD-180 shipments arriving this year and perhaps even next.  ULA certainly doesn&#8217;t have enough engines on-hand now to fulfill the block buy should future expected shipments indeed be embargoed by Russia.  This also makes it seem downright crazy to me that three Atlas V&#8217;s are currently scheduled to launch one GPS block 2 and two civilian payloads in the next 70 or so days.  Assuming the future good faith of hostile Russians is a mug&#8217;s game IMNSHO.</p>
<p>As to the meeting with Amross and Energomash, I&#8217;m not surprised.  Russians will always repeat whatever the last authorized line was &#8211; right up until they do a Lucy-with-the-football number on you.  I&#8217;m guessing that, for maximum impact, a formal announcement of no more RD-180&#8217;s coming will probably be delayed until the last possible instant.  It&#8217;s the way these people roll.</p>
<p>If I was USAF and NRO I&#8217;d be hoping SpaceX gets both 1st-stage reusability and Falcon Heavy sorted out ASAP; they&#8217;re going to need both quite soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sounds like a life-cycle cost estimate.

Note that when GAO does these estimates, they don&#039;t distinguish between &quot;costs more because the price went up while the scope of the contract stayed the same&quot; and &quot;costs more because the scope of the contract increased.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like a life-cycle cost estimate.</p>
<p>Note that when GAO does these estimates, they don&#8217;t distinguish between &#8220;costs more because the price went up while the scope of the contract stayed the same&#8221; and &#8220;costs more because the scope of the contract increased.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kent</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/07/09/ula-joins-call-for-dismissal-of-spacex-suit/#comment-508223</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot; I canâ€™t find a mass value for the WGS Block II bird or even the Boeing 702 sub-model itâ€™s derived from.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Spaceflight Now lists the WGS weight as 13,200 lb (6,000 kg).

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I believe a Falcon 9v1.1 can match the first [6,500 kg], but not the second [7,300 kg], of these performance numbers if it is launched as an expendable vehicle.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The SpaceX website lists the Falcon 9 payload mass as 4,850 kg to GTO.  I believe that is in reusable mode and that the payload mass in expendable mode is 5,300 kg.  SES has ordered a Falcon 9 launch for more than that, but that launch is going to a sub-synchronous orbit in which the payload itself makes up the difference.

Note that SpaceX quotes capability to a GTO with a 1,800 m/s deficit from GEO.  Most others quote a capability to a 1,500 m/s deficit from GEO.  Just be aware of that when comparing payload capabilities.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...then that mix of 36 cores would appear to consist of at least half Delta IV cores...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The mix is 4 Delta IV Heavies, 4 Delta IV Mediums, and 20 Atlas Vs.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;assuming the Russians send no more RD-180 engines â€“ which is looking likelier by the day.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe.  First, the engine embargo only applies to military missions, not civilian and commercial misisons.  Second, there is some dispute as to the definition of &quot;military mission.&quot;  Air Force missions like those in the block buy would seem to apply, but Russia has in the past deemed &quot;military mission&quot; to mean only actual weapons.  The Air Force doesn&#039;t launch those on Atlas rockets.  Finally, ULA has said it had a day-long meeting on 30 May with RD Amross and NPO Energomash without any word of a delivery disruption.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The delayed missions are said to include several GPS birds...Perhaps the delayed GPS birds are the in-the-works Block 3 models?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Five of the delayed missions are indeed GPS III missions.  Another is a satellite that grew too heavy for a Falcon 9.  I don&#039;t know what the last one is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; I canâ€™t find a mass value for the WGS Block II bird or even the Boeing 702 sub-model itâ€™s derived from.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Spaceflight Now lists the WGS weight as 13,200 lb (6,000 kg).</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I believe a Falcon 9v1.1 can match the first [6,500 kg], but not the second [7,300 kg], of these performance numbers if it is launched as an expendable vehicle.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The SpaceX website lists the Falcon 9 payload mass as 4,850 kg to GTO.  I believe that is in reusable mode and that the payload mass in expendable mode is 5,300 kg.  SES has ordered a Falcon 9 launch for more than that, but that launch is going to a sub-synchronous orbit in which the payload itself makes up the difference.</p>
<p>Note that SpaceX quotes capability to a GTO with a 1,800 m/s deficit from GEO.  Most others quote a capability to a 1,500 m/s deficit from GEO.  Just be aware of that when comparing payload capabilities.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;then that mix of 36 cores would appear to consist of at least half Delta IV cores&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The mix is 4 Delta IV Heavies, 4 Delta IV Mediums, and 20 Atlas Vs.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;assuming the Russians send no more RD-180 engines â€“ which is looking likelier by the day.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Maybe.  First, the engine embargo only applies to military missions, not civilian and commercial misisons.  Second, there is some dispute as to the definition of &#8220;military mission.&#8221;  Air Force missions like those in the block buy would seem to apply, but Russia has in the past deemed &#8220;military mission&#8221; to mean only actual weapons.  The Air Force doesn&#8217;t launch those on Atlas rockets.  Finally, ULA has said it had a day-long meeting on 30 May with RD Amross and NPO Energomash without any word of a delivery disruption.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The delayed missions are said to include several GPS birds&#8230;Perhaps the delayed GPS birds are the in-the-works Block 3 models?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Five of the delayed missions are indeed GPS III missions.  Another is a satellite that grew too heavy for a Falcon 9.  I don&#8217;t know what the last one is.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well one more roadblock has gone away - the Air Force has certified the SpaceX Falcon 9.

http://www.latimes.com/business/aerospace/la-fi-spacex-air-force-launch-contracts-20140711-story.html

There are a few more requirements that must be met before they can actually launch payloads for the Air Force, but SpaceX says they will have those satisfied this year.

To show how important this is from a taxpayer standpoint, the article says:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;The Government Accountability Office said the Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle program had increased by $28.1 billion to $64 billion over the last fiscal year.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Hard to see how ULA can claim to be &quot;saving&quot; the taxpayer money when they&#039;ve been raking in the cash for low these many years.  That&#039;s like saying &quot;Yes I extorted $100 from you, but here&#039;s a $5 Starbucks gift card to make you not feel so bad&quot;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well one more roadblock has gone away &#8211; the Air Force has certified the SpaceX Falcon 9.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/aerospace/la-fi-spacex-air-force-launch-contracts-20140711-story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/business/aerospace/la-fi-spacex-air-force-launch-contracts-20140711-story.html</a></p>
<p>There are a few more requirements that must be met before they can actually launch payloads for the Air Force, but SpaceX says they will have those satisfied this year.</p>
<p>To show how important this is from a taxpayer standpoint, the article says:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>The Government Accountability Office said the Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle program had increased by $28.1 billion to $64 billion over the last fiscal year.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard to see how ULA can claim to be &#8220;saving&#8221; the taxpayer money when they&#8217;ve been raking in the cash for low these many years.  That&#8217;s like saying &#8220;Yes I extorted $100 from you, but here&#8217;s a $5 Starbucks gift card to make you not feel so bad&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nobles</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/07/09/ula-joins-call-for-dismissal-of-spacex-suit/#comment-507539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Nobles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article on the Block Buy Suit on Defense Industry Daily.  It goes into a little detail.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/sued-from-orbit-spacex-and-the-eelv-contract-025519/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article on the Block Buy Suit on Defense Industry Daily.  It goes into a little detail.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/sued-from-orbit-spacex-and-the-eelv-contract-025519/" rel="nofollow">http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/sued-from-orbit-spacex-and-the-eelv-contract-025519/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Listner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Listner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They don&#039;t have to raise the issues Space X raises because like USAF and ULA assert in their motions Space X doesn&#039;t have legal standing to raise the issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t have to raise the issues Space X raises because like USAF and ULA assert in their motions Space X doesn&#8217;t have legal standing to raise the issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/07/09/ula-joins-call-for-dismissal-of-spacex-suit/#comment-506942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll repeat the requests I made in other comments above.  Do you know the beginning and ending dates of the interval within which all the block buy-related missions are supposed to fly?  Do you have a list of the block buy-related payloads?  I realize this last requested item seems to be a fairly rapidly moving target.  Still, any info would be appreciated.  Without knowing these things it&#039;s essentially impossible to judge who can physically do what in order to evaluate the truth of the various diametrically opposed claims floating around about the issue of how many block buy missions SpaceX could, in theory, accommodate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll repeat the requests I made in other comments above.  Do you know the beginning and ending dates of the interval within which all the block buy-related missions are supposed to fly?  Do you have a list of the block buy-related payloads?  I realize this last requested item seems to be a fairly rapidly moving target.  Still, any info would be appreciated.  Without knowing these things it&#8217;s essentially impossible to judge who can physically do what in order to evaluate the truth of the various diametrically opposed claims floating around about the issue of how many block buy missions SpaceX could, in theory, accommodate.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a note about vertical integration and on-pad personnel access.  It&#039;s true neither of SpaceX&#039;s current launch sites are so equipped.  But SpaceX has a 20-year lease on LC-39A at KSC and expects to finish refurbishing it around the middle of next year.  That pad already has such facilities.  So if SpaceX adapts them to the needs of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy, that would take care of another of their current deficits vis-a-vis EELV payload launches.  I don&#039;t think any of the ULA block buy missions are scheduled for launch before mid-2015 anyway, though again, that is something I&#039;m having trouble nailing down from publicly available sources.  Any definite knowledge you have about this matter would, again, be appreciated by me and, I&#039;m sure, many others here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note about vertical integration and on-pad personnel access.  It&#8217;s true neither of SpaceX&#8217;s current launch sites are so equipped.  But SpaceX has a 20-year lease on LC-39A at KSC and expects to finish refurbishing it around the middle of next year.  That pad already has such facilities.  So if SpaceX adapts them to the needs of Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy, that would take care of another of their current deficits vis-a-vis EELV payload launches.  I don&#8217;t think any of the ULA block buy missions are scheduled for launch before mid-2015 anyway, though again, that is something I&#8217;m having trouble nailing down from publicly available sources.  Any definite knowledge you have about this matter would, again, be appreciated by me and, I&#8217;m sure, many others here.</p>
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