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	<title>Comments on: Orion manager warns he&#8217;s &#8220;challenged&#8221; to make December 2017 launch</title>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/08/13/orion-manager-warns-hes-challenged-to-make-december-2017-launch/#comment-720611</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, as expected, SLS and MPCV are now officially slipping:

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2014/08/interesting-sls.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, as expected, SLS and MPCV are now officially slipping:</p>
<p><a href="http://nasawatch.com/archives/2014/08/interesting-sls.html" rel="nofollow">http://nasawatch.com/archives/2014/08/interesting-sls.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/08/13/orion-manager-warns-hes-challenged-to-make-december-2017-launch/#comment-694972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coastal Ron:  &lt;i&gt;Another way to look at it is &lt;/i&gt;

A better way to look at it is, if you can launch (let&#039;s be generous to the SLS and say) six of the most expensive version of the SLS for what Boeing charges for one stage, then a 25% difference in the payloads doesn&#039;t matter.  You can launch an awful lot of docking and assembly and refueling equipment in the five remaining Falcon Heavy launches after you&#039;ve launched your necessarily lighter payload.  

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coastal Ron:  <i>Another way to look at it is </i></p>
<p>A better way to look at it is, if you can launch (let&#8217;s be generous to the SLS and say) six of the most expensive version of the SLS for what Boeing charges for one stage, then a 25% difference in the payloads doesn&#8217;t matter.  You can launch an awful lot of docking and assembly and refueling equipment in the five remaining Falcon Heavy launches after you&#8217;ve launched your necessarily lighter payload.  </p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/08/13/orion-manager-warns-hes-challenged-to-make-december-2017-launch/#comment-691588</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 01:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Are you asking me on a date?&lt;/i&gt;

No.  I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m terminally married and the wife has granted me no &quot;hall pass&quot; privileges.

I was merely curious as your style of argumentation about SpaceX&#039;s employment practices hinted at female psychology.

If you are indeed the only one who comments here under the &quot;common sense&quot; ID, then I regard our little dustup anent SpaceX as a bit of an anomaly.  Like Donald&#039;s comments, I generally agree with yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are you asking me on a date?</i></p>
<p>No.  I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m terminally married and the wife has granted me no &#8220;hall pass&#8221; privileges.</p>
<p>I was merely curious as your style of argumentation about SpaceX&#8217;s employment practices hinted at female psychology.</p>
<p>If you are indeed the only one who comments here under the &#8220;common sense&#8221; ID, then I regard our little dustup anent SpaceX as a bit of an anomaly.  Like Donald&#8217;s comments, I generally agree with yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/08/13/orion-manager-warns-hes-challenged-to-make-december-2017-launch/#comment-689603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Common Sense:  &lt;i&gt;Are you asking me on a date?&lt;/i&gt;

Much as I often agree with Dick&#039;s posts, this is a great answer -- and exactly what the comment deserved.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common Sense:  <i>Are you asking me on a date?</i></p>
<p>Much as I often agree with Dick&#8217;s posts, this is a great answer &#8212; and exactly what the comment deserved.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/08/13/orion-manager-warns-hes-challenged-to-make-december-2017-launch/#comment-689427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 16:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dragon was designed to accommodate crew from the start. 

The whole thing may not be ready to go but I can see no reason why it could not be done very quickly for such a short trip to ISS and back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dragon was designed to accommodate crew from the start. </p>
<p>The whole thing may not be ready to go but I can see no reason why it could not be done very quickly for such a short trip to ISS and back.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Are you a woman?&quot;

Are you asking me on a date?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you a woman?&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you asking me on a date?</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2014/08/13/orion-manager-warns-hes-challenged-to-make-december-2017-launch/#comment-689044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 15:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They could have a system that would work in that time, yes. It wouldn&#039;t meet all of the NASA paperwork hoops, but it would do the job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could have a system that would work in that time, yes. It wouldn&#8217;t meet all of the NASA paperwork hoops, but it would do the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 12:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I donâ€™t know what protestations you are talking about.&lt;/i&gt;

Was this you or someone else using the same ID?

&lt;i&gt;Josh, I have supported SpaceX since when nobody knew about them and in many more ways that you can possibly imagine.&lt;/i&gt;

Now, on to other matters.

&lt;i&gt;You have been on this forum what a few months now?&lt;i /&gt;

To tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I kind of lost track.  Was it five comments or was it six?  But seeing as how... :)

&lt;i&gt;Do you think you know all there is to know about other posters?&lt;/i&gt;

I &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; nothing for sure about you - not even your name.  I infer things about you based on what you write, but I freely admit I could be wrong.  That is simply the case with many Web-based interactions.

If you feel I have some sort of obligation to know all about you before making a reply to one of your comments when you reveal so little about yourself perhaps I should assume you are a woman. :)

&lt;i&gt;Also please point to me where I said that SpaceX is guilty of any thing?&lt;/i&gt;

You never come right out and say it, you just keep up a steady drumbeat of &quot;If I was an investor and they did X I&#039;d be upset&quot; and suchlike.  The clear implication of your comments is that you believe SpaceX to be guilty of mistreating its employees and of labor law violations.  Why not just say what you plainly believe to be true instead of weaseling around with tone and passive-aggressive implication?

&lt;i&gt;Are&lt;/i&gt; you a woman?

&lt;i&gt;But you may want to inquire, not with Elon but rather his employees. &lt;/i&gt;

I knew two of SpaceX&#039;s employees casually through classes and extracurricular activities at that community college I mentioned attending a few comments back.  Two people isn&#039;t much of a statistical sample but, for whatever it may be worth, neither had a bad word to say about working conditions or anything else.  One young guy was quite the SpaceX cheerleader.  The other guy was in his 30&#039;s, had worked other places and seemed to like SpaceX just fine but was more reserved.

&lt;i&gt;Did you work for Elon? What do you actually know about his methods?&lt;/i&gt;

No,I have never worked at SpaceX and have no knowledge, except the little bit of conversation I had with the two SpaceX employees I met at college, about what SpaceX work life is like.

What is the basis for &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; claim of such knowledge?

&lt;i&gt;Again what do you know about geniuses?&lt;i /&gt;

I know they&#039;re a lot smarter than I am.  I had the chance to find this out when I made the acquaintance of several while I was doing my first stint as an undergrad in the early 70&#039;s.

&lt;i&gt;Ever worked with geniuses yourself?&lt;/i&gt;

Never worked with any, exactly, but I hung out socially for a time with Eugene Volokh, who was a childhood math and computer software prodigy and is now a professor of constitutional law at UCLA and a very influential law blogger.  He was in his mid to late teens at the time and I was in my early 30&#039;s.  Splendid company and spooky bright.  Wish I&#039;d kept in touch.

Does that help?  I hate to drop names to no good purpose.

&lt;i&gt;Here is a suggestion. Go and apply to SpaceX and go work for your idol. Then come back and tell us all ignorant about what it is like after 1 week, 1 month and 1 year. If you can last that much.&lt;/i&gt;

Ooooo!  Touchy much?

Seriously, I&#039;d be delighted to work for SpaceX but my current - I hope transient - medical decrepitude makes it impossible to work for anyone just now.  Even if I were well, there are plenty of people in this area (I live about three miles from the SpaceX plant) who are younger than I and have years of aerospace experience I lack.  The combination of Barack Obama in the White House and Jerry Brown in the statehouse has insured that Marx&#039;s &quot;reserve army of the unemployed&quot; has never had more battalions than it does now in Southern California.

Understand, though, that even if SpaceX was the Dickensian horror show you believe it be, there are a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of companies that are that bad or worse.  I know.  I&#039;ve worked for more than a few of them.  I&#039;ve been abused plenty of times at jobs that in no way had any potential to change the world.  So I&#039;d have to rate even being abused at SpaceX a solid step up from my median employment experience.

&lt;i&gt;The question is whether the lay-off was or not legal.&lt;/i&gt;

True.  Based on my, admittedly layman&#039;s, reading of the relevant law, I think SpaceX has a more than decent chance of prevailing in court, at least if the letter of the law still actually means anything in these solipsistic times.

And that returns us to where we started.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I donâ€™t know what protestations you are talking about.</i></p>
<p>Was this you or someone else using the same ID?</p>
<p><i>Josh, I have supported SpaceX since when nobody knew about them and in many more ways that you can possibly imagine.</i></p>
<p>Now, on to other matters.</p>
<p><i>You have been on this forum what a few months now?<i></i></p>
<p>To tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I kind of lost track.  Was it five comments or was it six?  But seeing as how&#8230; <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p></i><i>Do you think you know all there is to know about other posters?</i></p>
<p>I <i>know</i> nothing for sure about you &#8211; not even your name.  I infer things about you based on what you write, but I freely admit I could be wrong.  That is simply the case with many Web-based interactions.</p>
<p>If you feel I have some sort of obligation to know all about you before making a reply to one of your comments when you reveal so little about yourself perhaps I should assume you are a woman. <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p><i>Also please point to me where I said that SpaceX is guilty of any thing?</i></p>
<p>You never come right out and say it, you just keep up a steady drumbeat of &#8220;If I was an investor and they did X I&#8217;d be upset&#8221; and suchlike.  The clear implication of your comments is that you believe SpaceX to be guilty of mistreating its employees and of labor law violations.  Why not just say what you plainly believe to be true instead of weaseling around with tone and passive-aggressive implication?</p>
<p><i>Are</i> you a woman?</p>
<p><i>But you may want to inquire, not with Elon but rather his employees. </i></p>
<p>I knew two of SpaceX&#8217;s employees casually through classes and extracurricular activities at that community college I mentioned attending a few comments back.  Two people isn&#8217;t much of a statistical sample but, for whatever it may be worth, neither had a bad word to say about working conditions or anything else.  One young guy was quite the SpaceX cheerleader.  The other guy was in his 30&#8217;s, had worked other places and seemed to like SpaceX just fine but was more reserved.</p>
<p><i>Did you work for Elon? What do you actually know about his methods?</i></p>
<p>No,I have never worked at SpaceX and have no knowledge, except the little bit of conversation I had with the two SpaceX employees I met at college, about what SpaceX work life is like.</p>
<p>What is the basis for <i>your</i> claim of such knowledge?</p>
<p><i>Again what do you know about geniuses?<i></i></p>
<p>I know they&#8217;re a lot smarter than I am.  I had the chance to find this out when I made the acquaintance of several while I was doing my first stint as an undergrad in the early 70&#8217;s.</p>
<p></i><i>Ever worked with geniuses yourself?</i></p>
<p>Never worked with any, exactly, but I hung out socially for a time with Eugene Volokh, who was a childhood math and computer software prodigy and is now a professor of constitutional law at UCLA and a very influential law blogger.  He was in his mid to late teens at the time and I was in my early 30&#8217;s.  Splendid company and spooky bright.  Wish I&#8217;d kept in touch.</p>
<p>Does that help?  I hate to drop names to no good purpose.</p>
<p><i>Here is a suggestion. Go and apply to SpaceX and go work for your idol. Then come back and tell us all ignorant about what it is like after 1 week, 1 month and 1 year. If you can last that much.</i></p>
<p>Ooooo!  Touchy much?</p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;d be delighted to work for SpaceX but my current &#8211; I hope transient &#8211; medical decrepitude makes it impossible to work for anyone just now.  Even if I were well, there are plenty of people in this area (I live about three miles from the SpaceX plant) who are younger than I and have years of aerospace experience I lack.  The combination of Barack Obama in the White House and Jerry Brown in the statehouse has insured that Marx&#8217;s &#8220;reserve army of the unemployed&#8221; has never had more battalions than it does now in Southern California.</p>
<p>Understand, though, that even if SpaceX was the Dickensian horror show you believe it be, there are a <i>lot</i> of companies that are that bad or worse.  I know.  I&#8217;ve worked for more than a few of them.  I&#8217;ve been abused plenty of times at jobs that in no way had any potential to change the world.  So I&#8217;d have to rate even being abused at SpaceX a solid step up from my median employment experience.</p>
<p><i>The question is whether the lay-off was or not legal.</i></p>
<p>True.  Based on my, admittedly layman&#8217;s, reading of the relevant law, I think SpaceX has a more than decent chance of prevailing in court, at least if the letter of the law still actually means anything in these solipsistic times.</p>
<p>And that returns us to where we started.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Swallow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cargo Dragon first flew in December 2010 and first berthed to the ISS in May 2012.  A flight of the V2 Dragon in mid-2015 will have given over 4 years for the development and testing of the life support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cargo Dragon first flew in December 2010 and first berthed to the ISS in May 2012.  A flight of the V2 Dragon in mid-2015 will have given over 4 years for the development and testing of the life support.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 00:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think SpaceX can design, develop, fabricate, assemble, test, certify, install, check-out, and qualify a life support system in three weeks?  Really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think SpaceX can design, develop, fabricate, assemble, test, certify, install, check-out, and qualify a life support system in three weeks?  Really?</p>
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